This is part of a report made by a thermal design expert hired by Nikkei. The results: • The temperature gap with room temp was 22 degrees C. "When designing consumer products, it is common to seek a temperature gap of around 10 degrees C between exhaust and room temperatures," the thermal design expert said. "The 22 degrees C is quite a large gap..." • The cooling fan was half of desktop PCs—apparently to reduce noise. • The expert pointed out, "The heat sink on the graphics LSI is so small, I wonder if it can really cool down the board." The reason for this? Apparently, Microsoft had to downsize the graphics LSI heat sink so that the DVD drive could be placed above it. • In five minutes after booting up a game, the graphic LSI heat sink temp rose to 70 degrees C. In 15 minutes, the temperature for the microprocessor heat sink stabilized at 58 degrees, but the graphics LSI heat sink reached 80 degrees C. If the room temperature was high (like 35 degrees C), the heat sink could possibly hit 100 degrees C. What's more, if the vents were clogged with dust, the temperature could also increase. • The console repaired in May 2007 did not have a new heat sink placed in it. They used a Premium version for the test, but looking at all the flaws above I think that the extra heatsinks in the elite are too little, too late.
This reminds me of those University studies that are conducted at vast expense to conclude with facts that are definable, but everyone with an ounce of common sense knew already....for FREE! So in that time honoured tradition I say "No shit Sherlock!"
I wonder if it is possible to mod the 360's insides with better fans. From the looks of it, the fans themselves use a square 4-pronged connector.
The problem with the 360 stems from the fact that they use non-lead based solder for their circuits, and these heat up MUCH quicker than lead based solder. But Microsoft felt they had to since thats the industry standard these days. Guess what two companies ignored it though...
I think Microsoft should put bombs in their 360's that are set to explode as soon as it hits critical temperature. That way, Microsoft will get out of having to service them. When it blows up, they'll just say, "sorry, but the warranty doesn't cover accidental explosions."
Right, but see when company execs read opinions like yours they say "is just another guy in the net, who cares?" But when a respected entity like nikkei does a full investigation they decide is time to take action. No pun intendeed pal, but the fact is that nobody cares (at least nobody important) unless theres some proof. Like, everybody knew the Pinto had issues, but ford didnt do shit until public investigations showed that during a rear collission the doors would lock and the gas tank would explode.
Thats not correct. ...The melting point of 'non-lead based solder' is higher than traditional lead based solder.
I tend to belive them BUT I don't think that my 360 died from over heating my 360 never got all that hot and ran pretty cool compared to my Cable box which could probably heat a small pizza.
pretty shitty how it took 2 years until a site took a serious look at this. a few issues though: the smaller fan for reduced noise is laughable, as it is one of the loudest consoles I've ever owned. I'd hate to hear what it sounds like with a real fan in there. They'd get sued for causing hearing loss. As for the shitty heatsink and the dvd drive sitting right on top of it, it would explain why the games feel like hot waffles when you take them out. It's also probably why I've actually had games crack over time. Heating and cooling over and over like they do can't be good for them. What a piece of shit. If this were a car or something other than a videogame console, MS would have been sued a long time ago, or been forced to recall these. They're flawed by design, and they continue to sell them as so.
Can't do the drive itself any good either. I'm not terribly surprised, they tried to stuff too much shit into too small of a package with insufficant cooling. Guess you better get that water cooling mod or the 65nm model when it comes out. I know I'll want a 65nm when it's out.
I know it's not my Drive either as I was downloading/playing Live Arcade games what happend was I was playing Pinball FX my system froze I turned it off when I turned it back on.......red rings
Well don't try to use any logic. Clearly the problem is you didn't feed the Elves that live inside your system. You have made them angry and the red ring of death is their way of giving you the finger. If they don't get over it, you need to get it replaced. Even if you knew what was wrong, better have M$ replace it. Then when the next one you have breaks, you'll get that replaced and eventually maybe you'll get one that's not a PoS. I have a replacement plan on my current one so I can grab a 65nm before it's year term is up, assuming it doesn't break before then. :O
True. However non-lead based solder can crack when under constant heating and cooling conditions. It can cause bad joints and ultimately the components will not be making contact with each other. This could be the cause of the 360's overheating and simply not working. The constant heating up to high temps and then cooling down can cause the components' solder joints to crack. All of this due to the poor cooling design the 360 consoles have. Hopefully the new revisions will alleviate these problems.
Ironic, since MS made all this mumbu-jumbo about the flawless design of the X360 back in the day (2005) Or that it actually gets released, since its been delayed like 3 times already...
well if people question how many of the 100 million ps3's are actually still working, you can say the same for the 360. There's only like 12 million reported as sold, but since every single one is doomed to failure, you have to wonder how much of a real lead it has over the ps3 and wii. If my 2nd one dies, I'm done with the 360. All it's done is break disks, which I can now figure why.
is the 360 the Windows ME of consoles? anyway PS3s do have problems I just think since there aren't so many out there you aren't hearing about them dying like you are with 360s. of course my 360 died and I have no idea why.......so who knows.......
