would you still buy a cartridge based console made in 2008+?

I wasn't directing anything negative against you, but the perception so many people have about cartridges not working. Companies like Nintendo didn't sell a cleaning kit just as a way to get more money, it actually served a purpose. It's sad that instead of cleaning their games most people resorted to their so called "tricks" to get a game working.

 

hey, because of uncleaned cartridges i managed to get a few bargains on some n64 games

 

i definetly would, imagine carts with SSDs in it 100GB+ Cartridges

 

Music retailers were much more powerful than game retailers, yet they were defeated by iTunes, against all odds.

The moment console makers get serious about DoD retailers wont be able to do shit about it, believe me.

More like revamped 2001 tech, amirite?

About comcast and the other ISPs, rumor says their real problem are people renting 12GB HD movies over IP, rather than pirates.

Problem is you cant blame legitimate users;-)

 

Yeah, because nobody buys CDs from shops any more, right? "Defeated"? I see your ridiculously hyperbolic nature hasn't changed...

 

It's true that digital distribution of music has taken off in a big way though, whether retailers like it or not. We've heard the nay-saying scenarios of game retailers threatening to boycott a specific console if they turn their back on retail, but I wonder if they have that much power.

Conspiracy theorists will say that full games are not available on XBL for , this reason, and I think there's truth there. But if the next generation of consoles provides all games over digital distribution, rendering retailers redundant for anything other than providing the hardware, how would they react?

 

I think by this stage everyone is aware that digital distribution is only going to grow, that iTunes is a major player in music sales, and that full retail games will likely be available on all platforms come the next generation of hardware (they already are on PS3, if I'm not mistaken). Issues of preference for physical items aside, it's a better scenario for all concerned - the brick and mortar middlemen being cut out are essentially leeches. However, physical distribution isn't going to die out overnight, and the idea that iTunes has "defeated" an entire industry is prima facie absurd.

 

I remember how slow and painful it was to download the update for Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, it effectively took several days, even more painful when it timed out and I had to manually restart the bastard to get it to continue downlaoding. Even downloading Gran Turismo HD took over a day. GT5P I have as a disc but if I need to redownload the update then arrrgh! GTHD I have as an install disc.

With more and more internet providers having "fair use" policies and games getting bigger I can't see proper distribution of full games being a reality any time soon.

 

Uh...
http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/08/download-burnou.html
How is that not proper distribution? Available != mandatory, it's there for people with ISP's that don't suck.

 

Are you serious? When does that happen? I hope Florida has a different ISP...

 

If they somehow beat the piracy issue (probably wouldn't happen), I would definitely buy a cartridge-based system. Maybe if they limit the size to 1GB the developers would be forced to make a decent game instead of concentrating on physics effects and pixel shaders.

I'm not bitter.

 

developers managed to get resident evil 2 on a 512mbit cartridge on the n64, compared to the 2 cd's it uses on the psx.

with all cutscenes and everything.
and the resolution is even higher on the n64.

with tricks and tweaks its possible to get a decent game on little space.

 

Just think what they could've created if, instead of wasting time on developing exotic compression routines, the hardware had just enabled them to get on with making games.

 

You smear my point and then bring a blog entry from TIRED? are you serious? those guys havent been on the money since 1998!

And I guess the millions of ipods and iphones sold say shit about digital distribution, and the RIAA going nuts about it has no relation with the CD industry going down...

Just STFU and accept the facts: retail chains are the bottleneck in this industry, they charge too much for space and limit with censorship what you can actually show in the game case. I wont shed a tear if the likes of gamestop disappears from the face of the earth.

 

So you think that Burnout Paradise isn't available on PSN? How fucking peculiar, since I played it last night on a mate's PS3. I guess you're right, though, I must have been imagining things.

I think you need to go back and re-read my posts and look at who I was responding to, because it wasn't you. I would've thought not making yourself look like an idiot was fairly high on your priority list, but the evidence against that wasn't ever too hard to find.

Going down does not mean dead. You always did make me repeat myself, you never spent the time to actually read or comprehend posts, and it's no less irritating now than it ever was. So, because you're too lazy, I'll copy and paste my last post, and this time I'd really appreciate it if you actually read what I write: "I think by this stage everyone is aware that digital distribution is only going to grow, that iTunes is a major player in music sales". Clearly, I think digital distribution has no future. Right.

Neither will I, and had you been paying attention you'd know as much (again, for the benefit of your poor reading and comprehension skills: "Issues of preference for physical items aside, it's a better scenario for all concerned - the brick and mortar middlemen being cut out are essentially leeches"). The fact remains that physical stores still exist. I guess that doesn't fit into your pathetically obvious straw man argument, though.

Pitiful, even by your standards.

 

What you live in imaginationland? where everything appears and dissapears in a second? retailers wont be gone in a sec, when have you seen a business closing without giving a fight? its called competition, einstein! is the basis of the capitalist system.

Retailers in the music industry have been going down for years, tower records which was huge is GONE, and the rest are having problems too. And not only music, video too: blockbuster is losing ground everyday to netflix, a company that while not DoD per se follows the similar principle of on-demand distribution: instead of having a store they mail you the DVD. Netflix is already designing a set-top-box for DoD BTW.

Now even if the nextgen is all DoD, retailers will still be there selling current-gen consoles (X360, PS3, Wii) and games, plus used games from previous generations. It wont be until the end of the nextgen that said retailers will seriously begin to shrink and die.

 

You're the one who said that iTunes had "defeated" traditional retailers. I can only sit back and watch you shoot down your own arguments.

I'd like to point you to my first post in this thread, in which I said "physical distribution isn't going to die out overnight". Are you done saying the things I've already said? Because I'm kind of done repeating myself.

 

On this, the day of my daughters wedding??

 

They're dying already, and unless those cokeheads at LA can come up with a brillant idea to defeat itunes AND keep the highly profitable (for them) CD running for years to come, I'll say buying a tombstone for the traditional music biz is the next thing on the list...

:lol:

 

I m surprised you claim to do business studies yet completely forget the notion of "Expanding the pie" before cutting it to pieces. It can be win-win depending on the balance they strike.

Most things in life aren't "I win, you lose", that's just in games.