XBOX and RGB, possible?

I got a hardware chipped XBOX PAL. I see all kind of SCART-cables for the XBOX, how do I know they are true RGB cables?

Is there any way I can test on my TV if is true RGB or not?
Did MS release official RGB-cables for the XBOX in europe?

Many questions.s.. simple answer (I hope).

 

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I have never used component before, I think it is rare here in Sweden. Is not RGB the übermench of display quality?

Can I run component on a europe CRT Trinitron TV? on my 13" Sony Trinitron I have, I only have SCART on the back. This is confusing :-/

 

If you have a CRT, then I would say certainly the RGB SCART is the way to go.

However, for HDTV devices component is of higher quality. Original XBOX can output in 720p and 1080i resolutions for some ntsc games and xbox media center ONLY when using component cable. RGB scart can only output standard definition.

 

Ah,. yes that makes sense.

But IIRC even though cable is a SCART cable, that is not a guarantee it is a true RGB-SCART, am I right?

 

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erkan grab something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HD-Componen...Games_Cables_and_Adaptors&hash=item41610732b4 so you are sure it's rgb

 

scart can be s-video, rgb or just composit, normally your tv will say "RGB" or something when its turned on or auto switches to scart although not all tv's will check your tv model online to see if it supports RGB you'll know the different between composit and rgb just from the picture quality not sure if there were official rgb scart cables but the xbox does output rgb so there will be after market ones i only ever used the composit for mine

 

Thanks for feedback.. ok Keropi ordering cable :redface-new:

 

if every other factor (cable quality, interference etc) is equal (which is never the case in real world) a RGB scart cable will provide better picture than component cable in 480i. But RGB scart cannot go over 480i so you have to use component for 480p and 720p in xbox.

The reason is games itself are rendered in RGB internally and conversion to YPbPr is lossy even though the difference is minor. Plus R,G and B has full bandwith but for YPbPr only Y (luma) is full bandwith. Pb and Pr are half-bandwidth.

DVDs store the visual information as YPbPr (or YCbCr to be more accurate) so using component cable for playing them might be better even if the DVD is not progressive, to avoid RGB conversion.

of course getting a good component cable is the best thing to do and your loss compared to RGB Scart will be minimal.

 

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Yeah, interesting info. RGB is 4:4:4 and YPbPr is 4:2:2. Also it is important to note that RGB Scart is not the only way to enjoy RGB video. Good old VGA connectors carry RGB too (RGBHV in most cases). But the problem is most sets do not support 15 khz which old equipment outputs. So if you can find a 15 khz capable vga monitor, you can use a diy scart to vga converter. of course if you aren't living in Europe where nearly all tvs have scart plug. i think this scart to vga solution with proper monitor is better than a RGB scart-component converter for people living outside of europe.

 

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Official Xbox SCART leads do indeed exist.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00005TR...ve=22110&creativeASIN=B00005TRYX&linkCode=asn

Offers digital audio output as well as standard RGB SCART.

 

I have that one I believe, got it from who I got my Dvt4 from i think.

 

I had one of those:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Box-Official-Advanced-Scart-Cable/dp/B00005TRYX

They output a nice RGB picture and had a digital Audio Out.

 

I got the RGB-cable today. Wow, what a beautiful picture on my Sony 14" flat screen Trinitron :excitement:

Though I would rather have the original MS cable, since the SCART plug was a bit cheap on this cable and did not fit without some jerking around.

 

From what I've understood about the Xbox so far is that the PAL models had a slightly altered chip or BIOS or something like that to change the signal coming off of the cable to be true RGB instead of component. I forget whether there is a dedicated SYNC signal or if it is pulled from the composite video line. I know there are dedicated H and V sync signal pins in the video connector and VGA can be enabled with a certain modded BIOS and some cable hacking.



This is post #666 for me.
Anyone else care to make a deal with the devil?
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Im 99% sure that if a Scart cable is true RGB and the Scart socket on the CRT is a true RGB Scart socket then you shouldn't be able to change the colour setting on the CRT is should be set to the RGB standard and non changeable. If you can change the colour so it goes Black and White then either the Scart cable isnt true RGB or the socket on the CRT isnt true RGB!