XRGB mini or XRGB3

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  1. sean697

    sean697 Active Member

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    Hi. This is my first post here but been reading a couple of months. I wanted to ask some advice on a couple of things.

    Im looking to upgrade my AV of my Retro consoles to look good on my LCD Tv. I've decided to try and go with RBG cables to XRBG box. What I have now are NTSC Sega CDX, NTSC Sega Saturn, NTSC Sega Dreamcast, NTSC N64. My modern systems I have comment cables already that are adequate. I am looking to do the RBG mod on my N64. I have a Sony XBR2 LCD tv with VGA input and HDMI. And no getting a CRT as my wife won't allow one back in the house.

    So if I get the RGB3, it has VGA out and I would have to get RGB cables for my systems and can run The Dreamcast through the VGA pass through.

    Or I could get the RGB min framemeister that has HDMI out and run the Dreamcast to my VGA port.

    Both are exellent retro console up scalers. But any advice on which is better or easier?

    ASo am leaning towards buying the Euro Scart cables and buying the Japanese adapter to interface. If I can buy original Japanes cables I wouldn't need an adapter. Does anyone know of a good place to buy Japaneese RGB cables for Saturn, CdX and N64?
    Or should I buy the scart cables with the audio breakouts instead? I've heard that the Sega RGB cable for Saturn is not that good.
    Why I'm doing this is I recently got my everdirve 64 and the picture out to my TV via S-video is horrid. Also if anyone mods N64 for RGB I'd take a quote for modding as I would really prefer paying someone to do it rather than doing it myself.

    Anyone run a similar setup or use an XRGB box who can share some advice on this?
     
  2. Lum

    Lum Officer at Arms

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    Overall European cables are easier for US buyers to obtain. Especially if you're going to use multiple consoles, Japanese RGB selector boxes are rare/expensive in the west.
     
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  3. sonicdude10

    sonicdude10 So long AG and thanks for all the fish!

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    For the N64 RGB mod you need to have an NUS-CPU-4 or older for the RGB. If you have that, try BadAd84. He does this stuff for a living it seems. If you wanna keep it to the US, I don't know. I'd offer but I had a bad experience on my ED64 that makes me wary of trying it now.
     
  4. sean697

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    Yea, money is not really an object. I just don't want to pop down 500 bucks on a box to have found out the other one was better. @ sonic dude I'm aware of the revision number or the N64. I bought my n64 on launch day. I haven't opened it up but I'm assuming launch N 64 should be the right model. Is that a good assumtion? Was hoping someone here had used either box and what there experience was. I really don't want to by a cheap Chinese box or component converter as most have gotten really bad reviews. I wish I would have never got rid of my 36 inch CRT. And there are a lot of sellers of the micomsoft boxes on eBay and online stores.
     
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    Also, is a genesis region mod really nessecary with an everdirve? I'm not going to be playing on a PAL TV, I know my current Japanese Mega Drive games work on my CDX. I figure any PAL exclusives I can find cracks. How ,any Japanese games are locked out on the Genesis? The only ones I know for sure are Mega Man. But I own a cart of that game that works and I hear there are patches for that game on everdrive.
     
  6. Lum

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    Region switches have uses with everdrive. They can make the few PAL optimized exclusives avoid 60hz speedup. Also simplifies changing language in games who can toggle English and Japanese.

    XRGB offers some PAL support. I'm still reading up on that.
     
  7. sonicdude10

    sonicdude10 So long AG and thanks for all the fish!

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    I have a few games that won't run at NTSC by default so I use the quad region in single switch setup to get the right region for loading then either go to NTSC or JAP for play. The speedup of PAL only games seems to make the game run more "normal pace" in NTSC. The hardware Megakey in the EDMD isn't perfect. Another option are the universal Game Genie region patch codes. Worked for optimizing some PAL only games to run at NTSC.
     
  8. reprep

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    BadAd84 recently modded a french pal n64 for me. He does a really good job. For the best picture, get an original pal snes rgb scart cable. They were only sold in france so look for them on ebay.fr. Price can vary. I use this n64 with an everdrive 64 and get great picture on both pal and ntsc games.
     
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  9. sean697

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    Well I plunked down a little,over 400 and ordered the framemeister for Solaris Japan. I also ordered a Japan rgb pinned cable for Mega drive 2 for my sega CDX with RAW sync. We will see how that plays with this. Still need to get a Saturn cable and a N64 mod. So if you do that I'm interested.
     
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    My framemeister has arrived. Now I just need to set everything up.
     
  11. kzd

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    Both XRGB3 and Frame Meister have HDMI out.

    If you're going to use Euro RGB cables on the Frame Meister, you'll need a Mini-DIN to Euro RGB adapter. Frame Meister only accepts Japanese RGB, and hooking Euro RGB cables directly to the Frame Meister could damage your equipment.

    You need this, but wired to Euro RGB - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micomsoft-X...tor-Japanese-21-pin-XRGB-cables-/160761325225

    From there, it is plug and play. N64 needs a RGB mod, but the other consoles can do RGB out of the box. That same eBay seller can get you all the cables you need. No real need to use RGB for Dreamcast, as there are very few games that won't play through VGA.

    good luck
     
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    I get no picture from my CDX with Japanese cable with raw sync. My system is NTSC. Should I try to use that sync booster cable listed above or a standard composite sync cable?
     
  13. sonicdude10

    sonicdude10 So long AG and thanks for all the fish!

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    I think the boosted cable is needed. Most sets that take RGB need a strong C-SYNC signal. Might also need to put some resistors and capacitors on the RGB lines. Google search should turn everything up on that as I'm too lazy ATM to do it meself...

    I was able to get RGB to a PSOne screen from my model 2 US Genesis straight up with no resistors or capacitors but those screens have wide tolerances. It also took straight composite video on the SYNC input line, no SYNC stripper used.
     
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    Got it to work on my third cable from them. Used this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/200731777354?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 picture looks great. It looks so much better than the composite cables in to XRGB scaler or tv. I guess this raw sync cable has the capacitors and resistors installed and finally worked for me. The first one gave a blank screen and the sync booster on that still gave me blank screen. Now time to get a Saturn cable and get my N64 modded.
     
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