09/14/05 The official sanctioned Sonic Extreme AFTER AUCTION thread.

Especially life.

 

If this whole auction was fake, then this was the stupidest thing I have ever seen. I wasted hours of my life reading all the posts and visiting the forum every 5 minutes to see updates. OMG, now I know why I'm going to auction off all my import Saturn games.

 

No, the whole auction wasn't fake. Just ratman. He's a prick.

 

...And he had a tattoo of Sonic the Hedgehog :smt009

 

How will his little brother ever get Sonic Xtreme now?

 

Maybe it's a good thing that I didn't get too involved with this whole topic much earlier on, as you know that I have a tendency to write huge amounts when a subject motivates me!

Anyway, it's also good to know that a few people here (mentioning no names, Yakumo!) were also disappointed at the lack of quantity on this disc. The fact is that Sonic X-Treme was produced in short yet ultimately disappointing bursts for various graphics engines, and finding anything worthwhile on the Saturn is virtually impossible. Even the infamous E3 demo was very basic, and considering that Sega Technical Institute was using the NiGHTS engine quite late on into the game's development, it should be obvious to us all now that they were NEVER going to get this game finished - kind of like Duke Nukem Forever, in fact!

To bring my time in this thread to a close, I'm disappointed that the Sonic fan community is once again at war, and hopefully one day a worthwhile prototype (wasn't a four-level PC demo later produced?) can be leaked. Also, I should point out that no discs of Shenmue in its early Saturn incarnation are known to exist, as this game wasn't shown to the public until well after its shift to the Dreamcast. Besides, from what is known to have been completed of the 32-bit version, it wouldn't have even fit on a single disc!

One rumour is that the entire story would have been released on eight discs, with two chapters to each. Following this theory, it's likely that AM2 deliberately previewed only the first disc of "Shenmue" (or whatever it would have been known as back then - Virtua Fighter RPG? Akira's Quest? Something else, even?) in an effort to keep the saga's conclusion a secret. Unfortunately, there's been a change in Sega's output between the release of that footage in 2001 and now, so who knows if we'll ever get to see the proper ending of Yu Suzuki's original vision? Also, just how much of the Saturn version was actually complete? Judging from that video, it's almost as if the first few chapters were totally finished, as long as AM2 were not lying and it genuinely was playable on a standalone console. By my reckoning, all they'd really need to do is remove those debug and frame counters (or they could leave them in, if they wanted - it's their game!) and we could finally enjoy at least the first two Dreamcast games as they were originally intended.

I once read somewhere that the entire project was 80% complete (which may explain how development of the series cost so much to produce), though I'm not sure if this is an official figure or the result of somebody comparing what we've all seen to the final 128-bit versions. Still, there's definitely two separate revisions of Virtua Fighter 3 also out there - and we know for certain that these were both completed. Finding them, on the other hand, is our challenge now. After the disappointment of this whole X-Treme fiasco, my confidence is fading quickly. Does anyone know a way into AM2's vault?

 

How do we know this?

 

I've read on these very forums that there were 2 versions of VF3. Didn't one use an add-on cart which contained extra hardware? Iirc someone was known to have one version and the add on cart too!

There's this thread

http://assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5287&highlight=virtua+fighter

Good for a read

 

I would so laugh my pants if PACHUKA had anything to do with this one way or another. (hey, he has a Sonic tattoo like this ratman claimed to have)

 

just curious, is there any legal action SEGA or someone like it may do against the winner of something like that?
I know that sellers of this kind are obligated by contract to not distribute items...but what if someone different owns something like that?

 

yes there is. They can take it back make you sign an nda and lots of other things.

 

Problably why the collector wanted to remain anonymous.

Damn, I miss a thread for one day and all hell breaks loose.

So this ratman guy was full of boolshit huh? What a fucking dirtbag. I even sent him a congradulatory PM on how cool I thought what he was doing was. I've said it before, We need to show those out in internet land that you do not fuck with assembler.

What's this asshole's IP address?

 

I don't have his IP address, because I'm pretty sure he's been using proxies. I can grab some of the IPs he's used from a chat log and PM them to you, if you want.

I don't know if his actual IP has been exposed. An article was written for SHIT while the event was still fresh on our minds, in order to help prevent anything like this from happening again. It got protected because good old ratman decided to vandalize it, so if anyone wants to update it a bit and add some of the perspective from this side, contact me or one of the other SHIT maintainers. Anyway, in his vandalism, he mentioned "Y!TunnelPro". I've never used that software, so I don't know it's full functionality, and whether that is true or not, but if it is, then his IPs are not accurate.

 

pm me the ip addresses.

 

Done.

 

Send me the IP address too. In fact, Assembler can get the IP from when he posted here too. I doubt he took the measure to mask his IP when he did.

 

ive checked the ip adresses and nothing interesting as a result.

 

Yeah, I didn't find anything interesting either. Still, might be good for preemptively preventing him from coming back here. I wouldn't be surprised if the IP here matches one of those (but if it doesn't, I wouldn't mind having it).

 

Pachuka might have done... he's enough kiddy for such things
but it sounds strange..
his pleasure is to steal stuffs and release forbidden stuffs from Sonic Team...
I'm not sure he would keep it for himself...

he can even hack others computer to have what he wants...
and Sonic Xtreme would have been a master piece,
even himself never got hands on it
he always said on sonic cult forum he didn't

or maybe he's pissed of sonic fans, now

 

This is kind of off-topic, but wasn't Pachuka arrested for something? I read an old thread about it on the Lost Levels forums, but the links were outdated.