120hz Refresh Rate will be a better decision rather than a setback?

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  1. Vosse

    Vosse Well Known Member

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    Well, My Parents need a new TV. And from what I understand, an LCD using 120Hz Will have a greater Response time than that of a 60hz. But from what i've seen on 120hz screens is that the picture is moving so much smoother that it looks unnatural.


    :argh:

    I'm not much of a LCD expert so, would it be a better investment to just get a 120hz?

    Or is not enough material optimized for it currently for it to be worth it?

    i'm thinking of this one. Which is going to be on sale black friday for 800$
    Walmart.com: Sony Bravia 46" 1080p 60Hz LCD HDTV, KDL46S5100: TVs
     
  2. hl718

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    Unless it is a secondary TV, it would be silly not to buy a 120Hz TV. This is why the 60Hz TVs are going so cheaply these days.

    -hl718
     
  3. Vosse

    Vosse Well Known Member

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    Oh really? So, it won't affect 60hz content? It's going to be their primary TV. They had a Panasonic 53' Rear Projection TV but the Convergence ICU's died out and the picture is all out of alignment.

    Occasionally I might pop in while they are sleeping or gone and play some games on a new TV when they get one.
    Would 120HZ affect that at all?
     
  4. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    pro tip: there's barely any noticeable difference between 120hz and 60hz screens. Most people can't tell them apart.
     
  5. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    And most 120hz TVs on the market dont support 3d like 'true' 120hz TVs will. Really, the biggest point is to try and cut back on display lag.
     
  6. sayin999

    sayin999 Officer at Arms

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    Is there a way to get it to display at 60hz? I hate how 120hz makes movies look like they shot it with a video camera ie looking like its shot at 60 or 30 fps as opposed to 24fps.
     
  7. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    Most TVs allow you to turn it off, but then you are back to the 'more lag' issues that 120hz tries to cut back on.
     
  8. Johnny

    Johnny Gran Turismo Freak and Site Supporter 2013,2015

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    Even if you bought those 240hz TV's, when "game mode" is selected, the TV only does 60hz. I think most TV's have custom modes for movies (making it go back to 60hz as well).

    Also, i don't see any use for those 240hz TV's, apart from watching sports. Still i think 120hz is fine.
     
  9. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    240hz is better then 120hz, so at least the 24fps films are displayed better.
     
  10. Tachikoma

    Tachikoma Officer at Arms

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    I turned the 100hz stuff off on my TV, it looked weird.
     
  11. Segata Sanshiro

    Segata Sanshiro speedlolita

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    100hz on my TV screwed up timing in beatmania badly.. :redface:
     
  12. Johnny

    Johnny Gran Turismo Freak and Site Supporter 2013,2015

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    Yeah, but from what i know (not much), as soon as you select "game mode" it goes back to 60hz.
     
  13. Tachikoma

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    That will be the 100ms+ of latency the extra image processing creates. You literally have to turn everything off or use game mode to play games. If gaming is it's primary function, it's pointless buying a 100hz+ TV.
     
  14. yuckymucky

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    My Samsung does 120hz and I hate it. I had it on for about 2 hours when I first got it and couldn't take it and turned it off. Like stated above it makes video looks like it was shot with a handheld video camera, to me at least.
     
  15. Segata Sanshiro

    Segata Sanshiro speedlolita

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    Heh, it's a CRT and I can turn it off luckily.
     
  16. randyrandall

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    A 120hz TV in Currys had visible lag behind the other TVs. When the scene changed, it was visibly changing later. Might be an issue for games
     
  17. randyrandall

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    Doh, I should have read the thread first. My apologies. If your parents don't play games then there is no issue. All these TVs do is take the normal refresh rate and make it *look* smoother. Obviously the 'inbetween' frames dont really exist so it must be some sort of clever motion blurring or frame mixing going on.

    In my opinion, they are horrid. Like I said, I saw one in Currys playing a film It made the film look like a docuentary 'behind the scenes' thing; it was too smooth, it lost all it's atmosphere.

    Best thing to do is go to a shop, and have them look at the TVs running different materials. See which they like the image of the most.
     
  18. Vosse

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    Ty^

    Yeah, from what i've seen of the 120hz I didn't care for the smoothness of the picture but to them. It's a bit different I think.
     
  19. VMS

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    The original purpose of 120Hz is that film, video games, broadcast, and video sources (24Hz, 30Hz or 60Hz) all divide evenly into the number 120. In other words, they can all display 100% correctly WITHOUT creating any additional "fake" frames. For example, each frame of film from a 1080p BluRay source will flash 5 full frames. 5x24=120. With 60Hz you'd get "half" frames unless the set switches to 48Hz during film, which some sets do.

    This smoothing business is something else that the manufactures created as just another "feature" that creates fake "smoothing" frames. But in almost all cases it can be turned OFF, set to ZERO, or some other custom setting to make it go away. In addition to that there is "GAME" mode on most displays that will also eliminate it along with most of the input lag, but may introduce other unwanted factors.

    Research, research, research. I'd recommend searching whatever model number you're considering at avsforum.com and dig deep.
     
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