Air France Jet Carrying 228 Missing Over Atlantic Ocean

Aren't airbuses since day one meant to be unsafe craft? I remember when I still lived in the UK there was an awful lot of debate about the safety of the airbus electronics.

Yakumo

 

The "covering up" thing would be a disaster for Airbus if it were established to be true and they'd been hiding anything from the public. Confidence would simply vanish overnight and not only would Airbus be seriously affected, but who'd trust Air France again?

The same air investigator who led the examination into the French Concorde accident is handling this one. A friend of mine who works for a rival company suggested that the final analysis pulled no punches and simply concluded that the time was up for Concorde. That report took 4 years to be published and it occurred in broad daylight, was filmed as it was in mid flight and on fire and came down near Paris where they could recover the black boxes. He basically had all the data and evidence required.

Air France and the French ministry have asked American Defense organistations to help locate the plane using whatever spying equipment, listening devices or probes they might have!

Added complication if it does turn out that the debris wasn't from the plane after all as in the mid Atlantic the swell will simply disperse whatever debris there was and locating where it came from becomes incredibly difficult. They may never locate the precise area where the plane hit the water and sank.

Needle in a haystack x 10.

 

You'd think they'd have some kind of satellite based becon on planes to track their flights rather than just using radar. Then, if the becon stops, they know approximately where it went down.

I hope they find out what happened. Nothing can be worse than not knowing.

 

Mi 2c?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.
There.

PS: if the fuel stuff they found on the ocean is not from the plane, whom is it from?

 

LA sewer system.

 

It seems all they found, all the seats and stuff were just floating garbage that had nothing to do with the craft.

Unfortunately, considering how far all this could have drifted, and considering the water is 5000 feet deep, we may never have any clue as to what really happened.

All that has been confirmed as of late, is that a Spanish jet pilot who was nearby saw a large white flash, a huge object fall completely vertically, then disintegrate in about 5 seconds in the sky.

God bless all the souls who were on that flight. What a terrible way to go.

 

The black boxes have beacons, but they may have been damaged - a French submarine is apparently en route to establish whether they can be detected in such deep water.

 

Body from Air France crash found, Brazil says

The bodies of two men, one of whom was confirmed to be a passenger from the Air France plane that crashed Monday, were found today, a Brazilian air force spokesman said. Also found were a backpack and a leather briefcase containing an airplane ticket with a reservation code, which Air France verified belonged to a passenger on the jet, Jorge Amaral told CNN. The bodies and the items found were recovered by a Brazilian Navy frigate.

More here: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/06/brazil.plane.crash/index.html

PS: The bodies were found 70km of distance from the last signal the plane sent before disappearing.

 

They are on "the island"....

Jokes over, it's too sad.
Thing is they were on a blind spot in the ocean where no radars could know where they were exactly, and itwas a while since they last gave in a location report...
They could be anywhere in a X miles radious....

 

Three more bodies have been found...

More bodies found from missing Air France plane

Three more bodies were found Sunday from the Air France plane that went missing off the coast of Brazil nearly a week ago, Brazilian officials said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/07/brazil.plane.crash/index.html

Bodies where found by the Brazilian Air Force Embraer E-99 and recovered by the Brazilian Navy frigate F-42 "Constituição". Other Brazilian Navy ships on the area are: P40 "Grajaú (Patrol Ship), V-19 "Caboclo" (Corvette), plus two other ships i don't know the names. The French Navy sent the frigate Ventuse and submarines as well.

Aerial support has been done by Brazilian Air Force planes (3 Embraer E-99 (radar), 2 Embraer R-99 (radar) and 3 C-130), two from French Air Force (Falcon 50 e Atlantic Rescue D).

PS: Edited:

http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/...AM+MUITOS+CORPOS+E+CENTENAS+DE+DESTROCOS.html
(in portuguese)

Search teams saw lots of bodies and hundreds of debris...

 

Here's a little detail not really talked about much in the media in relation to the missing Airbus A330.

Whether the crash was caused by technical issues, complications in weather & false instrument indications, it might be a wise move to look at precisely who was on the plane and establish whether it might be a prime target, not or even why?

I am sure those involved in such investigations have done precisely that...

Here's is one of the people on board the missing flight. His name was Pablo Dreyfus. http://www.cerac.org.co/dreyfus_pablo.htm

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/

He was accompanied by Ronald Dreyer. http://www.genevadeclaration.org/contact.php

"Amid the media Frenzy and speculation over the disappearance of Air France's ill-fated flight 447, the loss of two of the world's most prominent figures in the war on the illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking has been virtually overlooked. (They) had worked tirelessly with the Brazilian authorities to stem the flow of arms and ammunition that for years has fueled the bloody turf wars waged by drugs gangs in Rio's sprawling favelas". Herald newspaper (7th June '09)

With absolutely no evidence of fowl play found (as yet), it's purely speculative to suggest that the Airbus was brought down and that these two were the intended targets, but it is a very interesting piece of information none-the-less. Their work was vital throughout the world in tracking arms & drugs deals and bringing about the end of illegal trade. They were highly prominent figures and allegedly flying to Geneva to present their latest findings.

Pure coincidence? Possibly, but it is this kind of detail that must be causing a few raised eyebrows at the table of those investigating probable cause.

 

The problem is, there is no evidence of anything, foul play or otherwise, its just a total mess of an investigation.

 

Exactly, I was merely pointing out a significant piece in a massive puzzle. I'm not suggesting for a second anything has actually occurred other than a plane disappearing without any significant clues available to the investigating team to establish precisely what happened. They have a huge job on their hands and at present very little detail.

The reported piece in "The Herald" wasn't saying 'Here's the reason", but "Here's a very interesting piece of information". It presents the investigators with a 'potential' target and a very good reason for there having been no claim that the attack was carried out by a particular group of terrorists.

It could have simply been the weather, but my guess is they'll look at every eventuality until the black boxes are recovered.

 

Holy cow. That is startiling. Straight out of the movie Scarface where the druglords try to kill the guy who is going to present evidence about corruption in many countries.

This guy looks like he was about to do the same thing. The media should really put this out on the lime light. It will help bring those out, but then who knows, someone in the brazillian government might have been on it and doing what he can to stop people from putting two and two together.

 

Brazil is not North Korea, China or any other country where the government censors journalists or hide information.

 

I agree, I think if this were to be a factor that Brazil's Government would actually be more than willing to provide evidence or information and be open. These were two very well respected & influential people who had wide support.

The issue wasn't governmental, the people who might hold grudges against such people would be underground criminals.

However, be careful not to jump too far in this, it's just a piece of interesting information to chew over whilst contemplating why "perhaps" anyone might decide to target the missing plane.

It may be simply discarded in time as not a feasible suggestion.

 

Now the total of bodies found is 16. Parts of the plane with the Air France logo were found too... Although difficult, i really hope they find the black boxes. Brazil, France and USA armed forces will try everything to do it.

 

Pictures of the searchs:

http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil...+desaparece+apos+deixar+o+Rio+de+Janeiro.html

 

The names of the dead are starting to come out, and researching them and seeing who they were, it's so sad. Eithne Walls is one that stuck out to me. She was so young, part of the river dance, and just became a doctor.

The irish dancing website she was a part of said she had no desire to hang up her dancing shoes anytime soon.

Sad that it was stripped away from her. God bless all of them. I can't imagine how that must be to be on a crashing plane.

 

Two of those suspected of being on-board the flight are known terrorists.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...wo_Passengers_Shared_Names_Of_Radical_Muslims

"Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31.
Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm.
While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out.

(French Secret Service) established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic.
A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant".

France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan." (Peter Allan / Paris / Sky News)

But interestingly, Reuters quoted the French Interior minister as saying that "...two passengers identified as suspicious turned out not to be a concern...."

The website of the French weekly L'Express had quoted a French military spokesman as saying they could have been linked to Islamic terrorism.

Well were they or weren't they then? The French Secret service identified names of known suspected terrorists on a flight 2 days after a threat to target & bomb the same specific air corridor was received, yet the Interior Minister thinks this is of "no concern". So which is it "highly significant" says military / secret service personnel or "of no concern" says French Government?