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The fact the kernel is a direct port from win2k in the xbox original , which then the 360 kernel was ported from the xbox original kernel to ppc. Now the Xbox One is being ported from the windows 8 kernel. Hdd, dvd, wifi and a processor. Its basically a pc in a nice box. Need further proof? Run linux on the thing and you have a PC. Hardware wise, this is a pc. Software wise its a entertainment device, IMO a crippled pc.

 

My router runs linux All of these points are invalid.. Just look back at the original Xbox, and show me someone natively running Windows (not the embedded CE crap either). Listen to Bad_Ad84, he seems to know what he's talking about

 

Run Linux on a router, has USB and pci-e slots. Doesn't make it a pc.

The Xbox alpha was PC hardware, 360 was Mac, Durango is PC hardware.

No one claimed the 360 was a PC, but did claim the original Xbox and the Xbox one is a Pc. Only difference is the 360 was ppc. Seems you all seem to think instruction set = x86 = PC. Which is false.

Linux runs on everything, no one claims those are PC's.

You both seem very confused as to what makes a PC a pc.

 

And transistors in CPUs are made out of sand. Beaches are mostly sand, doesn't make it a CPU..

I'm going to completely lose it one of theses days.

 

No, it makes a beach a pc - obviously

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZDYQKV2f70 just putting that there to settle those two argument

 

So have we somehow came to the conclusion that all next gen consoles are just over priced beaches?

 

Bingo.

The Sega mega drive is also a PC, because it had a 68k processor and a CD drive (mega CD), which is just like the Amiga and macs of the day.

 

So what would you define as a "PC"? Please enlighten us to how stupid you are.
You think there is a fundamental difference between Mac HW and PC HW... Please, before you post your bullshi* again define what a PC is in your own words.

 

When I mean PC I literally mean personal computer. My example of linux wasn't the fact it ran the linux kernel but that it can run a desktop with a webrowser and etc.

 

I was saying a Mac and a PC are the same thing, dunno where you thought I said otherwise.

Directly from Wikipedia:

Consoles are not general purpose, they are specialized. Like the computer in a router, TV, refrigerator, car, etc, etc etc.

Personal computers are upgradeable, you can run your own software. This is the extreme basics of what makes a PC.

Xbox is not upgradeable (can I replace the CPU? upgrade the ram? wheres the PCI slot for my motherfucking 56k modem?!)

The fact it has a processor, some ram and USB ports - that means jack shit. You just described routers, modems, TVs, the PS2, mobile phones and any number of other devices.

Simple facts are, you are all screaming "its a PC!" because its using the x86 instruction set, which is wrong.

Also, less of the name calling - it doesn't help your argument.

So by your definition anything that can run linux and a browser?

Router can run lynx, gamecube has a linux port, so does the ps2. Never heard anyone claim those were a PC - despite being able to run Linux and a browser (and not officially! which is also a key point). What about the iPad? that has a browser and runs a form of OSX.....

My TV also has a browser built in

 

The original xbox was intended to run a Windows variant/core but they could not get it work if I remember correctly. The xbox360 runs on a Windows XP core and the Xbox One runs on a Windows 8 core. Just because 2 things use the same type of hardware does not make them the same type of device. Most people look at xbox original and xbox 360 as dedicated gaming PCs and both have linux distros that can be ran on them as long as the console has the correct mods.

People have upgraded the RAM and CPU on a original Xbox.

 

Yes, I have too.

but by design, not hacking/modding to something it wasn't designed to do.

I have upgraded the storage (flash) and ram of modems and routers, still doesnt mean its user serviceable, was supposed to happen or that its a PC

 

This thread got off topic pretty fast..

 

Sorry

A mod can delete everything from my post onward if they like!

 

LOL I have seen laptops that were "not user serviceable" and the CPU and/or the RAM was not upgradable does that mean thet are not PCs?

 

Can they run your own programs? can you complete general purpose tasks without hacking it?

While you are trying to nit pick, I didnt say all those things need to be upgradeable - its just getting the point across that a PC is general purpose, upgradeable, runs your own stuff...

PS3 - hdd is upgradeable, could run linux and was actually marketed as a personal computer because of it (bit of a stretch and was a clever anti tax tactic by sony) - but even though its a stretch, I will agree it pretty much met the requirements. They tried the same shit with the PS2 though and was denied - http://www.edge-online.com/news/british-court-ps2-not-pc/

From the link:

So I have the god damn court on my side about what makes a PC too.

Anyways...

Xbox - cant run own stuff, nothing upgradeable
360 - cant run own stuff, nothing upgradeable

Your laptop in your example - likely upgradable in some aspect (ram, cpu, hdd, wifi card - something) and can run your own stuff by design.
iPad - mostly like your laptop above, but not upgradeable and not able to run your own stuff - called a PC by no one.

You get the picture.

 

LOL you know you can upgraded the HDD on a 360 and a PS3 right? You also know that at one point the PS3 ran linux which you could freely program for? So the PS3 was a PC but not the 360? Is a Raspberry Pi a PC?

 

You cant upgrade the hard drive on a 360, you need to flash a hacked sector to the drive - not user serviceable and not by design.

PS3, I know thats how they were trying to market it - as a personal computer gets a different import tax bracket than an entertainment device - look at the link I gave above. You clearly ignored my comments about the PS3 above, so id suggest rereading it before trying to be a smart ass

I dont know how it turned out - Id imagine much like the PS2 one, which is why they could remove other OS. I wouldnt call it a PC, but they were obviously looking for loop holes and trying to meet the bare min for the definition to get the lower tax bracket. The PS2 had linux too, the court disagreed that it was a PC. The PS3 was likely the same result.

Raspberry pi is still upgradeable (USB, GPIO)and still runs apps of your choice by design. Insert a USB video capture device into an xbox and let me know how the driver installation goes.


Easy way to tell, wait until the xbox one is released and see which tax bracket microsoft are paying, you will find its not the personal computer one. If it was a PC, microsoft would fight very hard to get it classified as one, as they will pay less tax. Let them tell you what it is, by their actions

 

Can you guys start a new thread or something, if you really want to cat fight go ahead, but don't spam this thread with it-- I might have to throw in my 2 cents on your discussion.