and again sony news (PS3 & PSP)

im getting both, like always. but not anytime soon. thats about 450 dollars for both combined. :angry

it seems technology is steadily going up in price, after a few low points.

 

I'm not intrestead in the psp really, theres not much inovated about it especially the fact alot of games are quick ports, and the fact the games will probably cost as much as a ps2 game. And if most of the games are fmv, then it might double as a portable sega/mega cd delux..............eerrr ps2. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

 

UPDATE.

According to Macworld. Sony will soon unveil a 200gig BDROM thats 8layers and they plan on using that for the PS3.

 

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That makes sense for general storage and backing up data but I highly doubt they will use anywhere near that much unless they decide to fill 90% of it with FMV's and then it would be a waste.

 

I kinda see Sony pulling a "saturn" next generation. But that is just wishful thinking :smt043

 

I kinda see Sony pulling a "ipod" next generation. But that is just wishful thinking

Its not about games. There are more US customers familiar with sony that do not play video games and they never will play games. For sony to best ps2 sales numbers sonys future products must be viable to a wider range of people that fall into different demographics.

 

The Blue ray disc technology IS the way forward.Where have some of you been???Dvd has been about for years now,over five and that IS NOT new technology,like VCD it is not widely accepted enough and there is still little in the way of DVD recorders on the market.So to me it has to move over for the next new and better technology to see if that can penetrate the market fully like vhs did and that means having recordable units in the majrity of homes as well as readers.Some may not agree but talking to people in that industry will change your views.I am all for Blue ray for games,it means better textures,animation, and polygons.It also means bigger levels, and more characters controlled and ai controllled.GT4 shows the limitations of DVD by needing two discs,so we need a bigger format, it really is that simple.

I like the PSP and am ahuge fan of the high quality unit but it's price is still making me wait a little longer.I will get one though.The more I look at Nintendo DS, the more I am starting to dislike it.I mean how are Konami going to use two screens for Castlevania and more to the point do I really want to play using two screens.I am quite happy with one and better quality 3d thank you.I'm going to wait and see but the more people I talk to, the more I sway towards PSP, cause the DS has not shown us why we need two screens,and the fact that is very very weak for something in this day and age.Still it's a pretty much budget product compared to PSP but unless Ninty can come up with some killer software and not gimmicks it will fail miserably with the massmarket and that IS the penetration Nintendo needs with DS.As a long time Nintendo fan and collector, it really does look grim for nintendo unlesss they start moving with the times and that means joining the online race and giving the masses what they want, otherwise they too will be a third party.

 

Blu Ray like VHS

I'm just thinking we may end up with another Betamax. Despite the fact that it provided higher quality, it still failed against VHS. Looks like it might be the same with Blu Ray against HD DVD. I'm not saying we don't need a new format but why do we need to go with the most expensive route when we can go with the less expensive alternative which provides a reasonable amount of stoarge for games (HD DVD is around 20gb)?

 

Oh course I know blue ray is better and has higher data capacity. I don't like the laws that come with it and that it will be compliant with. If blue ray does not materialize niether will the restrictive copyright laws that will come with it. Blue ray unlike dvds and cds will be closer to what movie studios and the record industry want in a media format. The laws and technology will be built in from day one. I wouldn't be surprised if blue ray technology got its biggest use in the US and in asia they used something else but equivilant. Like I said the PS3 will be like the psx and if its too successful sony produced products based on it will be the only buisness in town.

 

New media with higher storage capacity does NOT necessarily mean bigger, better games. In fact as far as game development goes it's a very risky move indeed. I'm only guessing here (so I could very well be wrong) but I’m pretty sure the cost of developing on Blue Ray compared to DVD will be significantly higher. Publishers will not like this at all and it could be the deciding factor in the 2nd round of Microsoft v Sony.

As far as bigger, better games go...well I dare say a small select group of developers will take advantage of this new media and maybe even revel in it but the vast majority will not have either the time or the money to take advantage.

 

Agreed, Gamecube has a 6th of the storage of a dual layer DVD on its discs and it hardly feels like Gamecube games suffer. Most PS2 games haven't filled a CD, and I doubt most PS3 games would fill a dual layer DVD.

Heh, as compared to VHS which lasted for 30 years.

What bloody planet you on mate I've had a DVD burner in my PC for over a year, they're down to 50 quid for the dual layer burners now, and DVD has something crazy like 90% market acceptance.

Better textures requires better hardware, preferably something with hardware texture compression (unlike PS2). Better animation means higher budgets to prevent game developers choosing the cheap way out with shitty motion capture. More polygons requires means faster processing hardware, the medium the game comes on is irrelevant. Level sizes are down to memory, not disc size. More characters and better AI are both down to the developer adding them, they wouldn't magically appear if today's games were on blu-ray ;-)

 

well, you're right in a way , but there's some things a larger medium could do. like better , high-definition made , textures and longer levels....or more levels .

 

Nah... Texture quality is down to the the texture resolution that the hardware can display them in, and the texture size and variety that can fit into video memory.

Level size really isn't what fills up discs. Audio and video are the two which take up the most data.

 

Ok Alchy so you have a DVD burner in your computer but does the majority of DVD player owners have them???NO, simple as that., and there is no way the DVD has 90% market acceptane worldwide, no way mate.You point me in the direction of some official figures to back up your claims and while you are at it, get me the figures for DVD recorder acceptance.

 

Only my point of view First of all DVD recorders (I assume we are talking about domestic ones ie, not PC based), I dont think they ever will be popular, neither would a blue ray recorder, how many people actually record a program from the TV, not many. Plus with TIVO style PVR's, even like the PSX, why would you need to record onto a media of any type.

Then onto Blu Ray as a media format. Currentley sony is touting the PSP as able to play movies on the UMD(?) format. The reason for this is that sony is behind a bucket load of movies, and has the enviable position of being one of the only (if not the only), company that makes the films AND the hardware to play them on. So it would have little problems deciding which media to release. For this reason alone sony can push Blu Ray all it wants,and it will probably stick.

And the last one, piracy. from what I have read. Sony is making blu ray media damn hard to copy, from what I have read, having physical differences between on media. If sony could make Blu Ray infalable to piracy, I have little doubt it would be taken up by both the Video Game and the Movie industry, and within years would be the standard.

Just my point of view, feel free to flame away :smt067

 

You're right, the market acceptance isn't that high. There was a statistic on the news like 90% of homes with a VCR will have a dvd player by the end of this year, or something, I can't find any reference to it. I stand by my point though, DVD is here to stay. It's not like VCD/SVCD which was only ever popular in Asia, DVD is dominant in the marketplace and will be for a long time. DVD-R drives are going to drop in price to rival CD-RW/DVD combo drives in no time at all, and once that happens DVD burning will explode just like CDR did. Back in '96, CD burning was something that a minority of rich people did on their 1337 two-speed burners. Try buying a computer, even second hand, without a CD burner in now. DVD burners will be the same in no time at all.

Also, despite the fact that DVD was clearly better than VHS, it took a long time to convince the public to change over. Do you really think they're going to just drop all their DVDs and players and rush out and replace them all, all over again, just for blu-ray? I don't, especially given I don't think blu-ray's going to look that different on a standard television set, to be honest. There's a limit to what detail you can see when you've only got 480 lines, and DVD's pretty close.

Look at music technology. Tape came in 30 years ago, but it took CDs until around 96 before they became dominant, because people weren't prepared to replace their collections just because some "new fangled" technology came out (even though CD was already more than a decade old by that point). Even when there's a convincing reason to, it's just not appealing to the public. They'd rather not have to get to grips with new technology if they don't have to, and as far as blu-ray goes there's no way they're going to want to spend a lot of cash on something that looks more or less the same on their 21" RF TV. It's those people who are the majority of the market, not the technically minded like you and me.

 

I have to agree with Alchy on this one. Blu Ray discs won't magically appear in homes for another 5 years at least. I remember seeing the very first DVDs years ago and thought that this would never catch on as did the media but it did after 10 years. The public need time to change. I also think that DVD burners (at least in Japan) are very popular. Every new PC comes with a CDR/DVDR drive as standard now plus the are loads of DVD recorders for the home as well as Hard Drive recorders.

Yakumo

 

I couldn't have sayd it better myself.
DVD is here to stay for a long time, here in holland VHS is going to be gone in less then a year (as is the case in most western countries).

Rental places are dumping their vhs movies in mass as are the stores because you can simply buy a stand alone dvd player for 30 euro's.

 

I'm sorry I think I didn't come across correctly, I meant that DVD recorders are not popular in the home yet, like a vhs was.

I don't think Blue Ray will magically replace it, I am aware of the length of time it would take, 5 to 7 years at least but I just don't think that DVD is widely accepted by everybody yet.Piracy is becoming a major concern and ways of copying new data protection DVD's take a matter of days.This is the main concern for the movie inductry and that's why I think it won't last like VHS did.I agree with everything you and yakumo said Alchy, it's just I ham of the view that piracy is becoming such an issue with DVD that the movie inductry would rather get rid of it sooner than later.Not that it is going to dissapear for at least ten years, well completely anyway.

 

i don't care if sony take bd-rom for their next playstation, i think its cool to know they could make heavier textures and maps. i just don't whant more fmvs and a too higher price.

i don't think bd-roms will invade the market...and the umd too.

sony have a big head and they will fall with it. it will hurt , but they will be able to stand again but loosing a bit of their advance.