Another reason NOT to shop at Walmart

True. =/

Yeah, the McDonalds example is a good one. The Ronald McDonald thing is good, when my sister got open heart surgery, we got a free place to sleep from them, since the hospital was really far away.

 

Good and Evil is a bit simplistic... but,

I think, basically each and every sector of society (government, public, consumers, corporations, media) needs to work harder on promoting a social conscience (it used to be called 'civics'). Society won't get better if only one of these sectors improves alone -- and conversely the blame doesn't rest squarely on the shoulders of one unconscientious sector.

The improvement of society depends on all sectors asking tough questions rather than giving simple answers or copping out.

 

A Super Wal*Mart just got finished construction w/in walking distance of my parents house...

 

I'm pretty indifferent about Wal-Mart, and by no means do I criticize people who shop there. Where did you see that in any of my posts?

Don't get so pissed off over nothing.

 

And how much does a blow job at Walmart cost?

They're just now building one near my parents house. The neighborhood has gone to shit though. They're trying to sell their house and move.

 

please stop over-reacting.

It's a contractual term that says that if a person makes money in the future equal or more to the EXTRA expenditure (like an overdraft) he attracts, he will have to return the money for those WHO NEED IT.

1- Walmart's employees are not financially wealthy.

2- hence, Walmart offers a coverage for them

3- when an ex-employee becomes wealthy though the money spent for him can balance and that pot of cash can go to some other poor soul who works for walmart and can't afford proper medical.

It makes perfect sense.

 

I think his post just came after yours but wasn't really directed to you.

 

I just wrote like a big thing, and then lost it. Hate it when that happens.

Anyway, the gist of it is while what they did is legal, it's certianly unethical. That lady paid her health insurance like she was supposed to, she got hit by a truck, now they want thier money back. So she signed a contract - I say the contract wasn't fair to begin with. That clause sounds like one of those things they make you sign when you get hired that no one ever reads, like break waivers and such.

If I pay health insurance for ten years, then I cancel it without ever using it, is the health insurance company required to give me a refund? Why then should I have to pay back money to them if suddenly I get a settlement? It's complete bullshit.

It's just a symptom of how companies like this set up the system against the little guy. True all the big companies screw us, especially in retail. But if one company pays thier employees overtime and buys them food (Target,) while another cuts thier hours without telling them, then sues them for money when they get hurt (Walmart,) then I go to the store that exploits people less.

 

Not sure who the bigger sucker is... the one giving $470,000 to Walmart, or the one that thinks they're going to give it to someone else. :/

 

stop using the "evil galactic empire" motif. They're a corporate entity and a very succesful one at that. They have my respect.

People who work at Walmart usually don't qualify to work somewhere else, at least they can work somewhere and EARN a living. nothing in life is free, sorry buddy.

Also, keep in mind that judgments by courts dont affect only the case at hand. They set the scope for future cases as well. Hence, allowing this clause to be dishonoured could prove to be a substantial financial leak if X amount of people pursued it successfully. You just can't allow this sort of presedence to be established.

 

What makes you think I was replying to you? It was in general to some of the posts on this thread.

Don't be so sensitive.

 

Then you just lost mine. You're seriously going to give honors to a company based on their profits? Assembler said it best. They encapsulate everything that is wrong w/ America.

How much time have you spent in the US? How much in a Walmart? A typical Walmart worker can work at any competitor, any super market, any fast food chain, or a number of other jobs. It's far from the worst job on the market. True people can (and should) go work elsewhere, but most of Walmart's Legal Issue's stem from legally gray areas, ethically black and white one's. You'd think for working for mere sheckles they would try not to fuck their employees so much.

 

Yeah... I think people at Wally World can usually work somewhere else, of course everything isn't just black and white but I really think I would look somewhere else before walmart if I was rock bottom looking for a job.

 

This is the reason why we kicked Walmart out of Germany, in 2006.

When they started business in 98 in Germany they had a aggressive
behavior. Then, in 99 the tried to expand the American way (be
kind to the clients and stuff). Then, in 2000 there were
turbulences at the top of Walmart Europe. Then they tried to
take over METRO (another big player here). In 2005 they tried
to change the "culture" in their markets (no marriage between
workers), one year later they closed all 85 MALLS.

Only the WALLs are remainig.

Will be crushed like Berlin wall or bought by METRO.

 

I used to live in California for about 2 years, and still travel often to the US ever since I was 5-6 years old.

People seem concerned with Wallmart's ethics. I m more concerned with America's foreign policy, because at least Walmart doesnt kill innocent people =)

And its true, I wouldn't know what working for Walmart's like. That's why I busted my ass on a limited budget to study Law despite my genuine fear and loathing of books and academia, to avoid working at places like Walmart.

So, why don't the same people you mention get jobs elsewhere and stick to Walmart, if fast-foods and other shops offer them positions under better conditions? Can you answer that? (I m asking honestly and in good faith)

 

Wow, Barc0de, what a red herring!

Perhaps I need to quote myself:

And thus it also follows that just because the US' foreign policy is more reprehensible than Wal-Mart's actions doesn't mean they can't both be protested against simultaneously.

 

Also quite a number are working in Walmart as their second job. Imagine that. But if you're trying to feed a family, you do whatever it takes.

(this was not directed at your comment GP, just a continuation)

 

Malmart makes GOOD use of Laws available to it. It's up to the elected Legislator to create laws protecting individuals against the alleged ethical breaches.

 

The point of insurance and the tort system is to make a victim whole again.

The concept may be easier to understand if you compare it to the loss of a tangible item.

When an item is stolen from you, you can get reimbursed from insurance. You are made whole. Once that happens however, the item now belongs to the insurance company.

If the item is later returned (or the thief is caught and pays reparations) it doesn't go back to you. It goes back to its owner, the insurance company.

If you're in a car accident and it's the other guy's fault, your insurance may pay out right away to ensure you are made whole, but when the at-fault party pays that money then goes to your insurance to reimburse expenses.

You can't "double-dip" and get an extra payout.

-hl718

 

Neither does McDonald's, and I hate them too.

I did too, but you have to work somewhere while you're studying (I did, anwyay). I only had Walmart-ish jobs in high school though (McDonalds, a couple of video stores, etc.) I know what they're like though.

I'm sure it's case by case. I'm sure a lot of people honestly think Walmart isn't that bad. Then they're victimized by the small print. The fact is, most people in this world are really fucking stupid. This includes not only people that work at Walmart, but people that shop there. Is it there fault for not figuring out Walmart sucks? Sure, why not. It still doesn't make it okay for Walmart to do what they do in many cases.

My group at Bank of America Japan made 90 million USD one year (up over 100% from the previous year). What did we get? 40% of the bonus we got the previous year, and laid off of on Christmas Eve. For me it wasn't too much of an issue as my bonus was merely that - bonus. For the people that make the money though, about 75% of their annual salary was bonus. So yeah, they got fucked. Legal? Apparently so, although gray as there's a precedence when you give someone Y for making X the year before. Ethical? Obviously not. Although the guy that cut our group got fired a year later for being a complete douchebag. Search for "Duncan Goldie" on this page. Read the part where he said was forced to make contributions to charities. What an asshole. That's what he made his subordinates do.

Congratulations. You are official a lawyer (in spirit, anyway). Nobody is talking about legally. We are speaking of ethics, here. Surely they could contractually/legally do worse if they wanted to. Perhaps they have some shreds of scruples after all though.