any chance unsigned code will be playable on stock modded/hacked 360?

getting a couple of 360 betas soon and I know they'll be put away for a long time before I can check out the content. I would much rather use my current 360 than have to drop money on a debugger unit.

what say you? is there promise in the future?

 

Its not going to happen anytime soon Im afraid.

 

Indeed the 360 is locked tight. Ms really have made sure this time things don't happen again like it did with the xbox 1. Also if there even is a way in the future you can bet that MS will lock it down within a week with another firmwire update.

 

Really?

...How come Linux runs on the 360 then? :lol:

 

It will work forever, providing you know what you are doing

 

That is true OE but from what I have heard it's not very usefull with things being very limited and I know it can run un signed code with the exploit but not many people have took it very far. Also many people will have updated already and finding an xbox with the correct firmwire will be hard. Good job I kept my second brand new 360 in the box and didn't upgrade :110:

 

AFAIK you need kernel 4532 or 4548, nothing earlier or later. So technically it was fixed six months ago. If you have an earlier version and have the updater already then it's not a problem. I didn't think you could downgrade, but maybe you can.

Of course you also need a copy of king kong thats been patched and a reflashed dvd.

At this point you're pretty much screwed as far as attaching your console to xbox live.

It's all rather boring though, you go to all that hassle and the damn thing will ring of death on you pretty soon anyway. I'd say that it's still a long way off what the OP wanted ( i.e. being able to easily patch his console to boot originals and unsigned copies ).

smf

 

I also agree with you here ASSEMbler It's more of a waste and also not being able to run and probgrams that need 3D emulation is not good. Making it very limited.

I really doubt there will be ever a way into the 360 my self it took so long just to get that and we all saw how MS patched it up so fast.

 

If there's one thing that copy protection and DRM has taught me, it's that every system can be broken in time. Everyone said that the Gamecube was impossible to mod, and it turned out to be pretty simple. The PS2 is still a pain in the ass to mod, but there are plenty of chipped PS2s around. If there 360 becomes the leader in this generation, there will be a solution developed for playing illegal copies. That's just the way things work.

 

There already is a solution for illegal copies, thats not the issue. The issue is unsigned code

 

Yeah, I meant a proper solution. As far as I understand the current solution is nothing more than a firmware hack, and given how integral Live is to having a 360, and how trivial it is for Microsoft to detect and ban users running such firmware, that's not feasible any longer.

 

It all depends what you expect. If you expect the 360 to turn into a PC (like the Original Xbox), then yes, this isn't possible.

If you are really interested in developing, exploring and hacking, then i'd say just get an old 360 (that should be easy, given that still '06 boxes are being sold as new), and use that.


If $300 for this fun is too much for you, then this won't work, of course.

(Or you could go the technical dual-boot solution, which includes removing of that resistor and having two flash chips. I'm not saying that this is feasible/useful (i won't judge about usefulness), but it's definitely possible.)


However, (and hopefully nobody kills me for that) i'm quite happy that right now there is no XDK homebrew possible. The reason for that is that XDK homebrew essentially killed all interest on the original Xbox to create a clean SDK replacement. On the Dreamcast, or Gamecube, this was different, as has lead to the development of nearly "free" development kit replacements. That doesn't mean linux - it just means: no microsoft. I think it's a real pity that XBMC etc. cannot be freely made available, as it's linked with "pirated" libraries. I wouldn't want to work on a software which's legal status (at least in compiled form) is questionable, at least not when it's avoidable. And yes, 3d acceleration for example is probably hard, but definitely not impossible. And everything else (except minor things) has already been completely reverse engineered, and can be copy&pasted (or adapted) from the "proof of concept" linux port, into an "open xdk".

If you want XDK, just get XeDK hardware - they aren't impossible to get, and you get all the tools. Or convince Microsoft to sell REAL development kits to all developers. I very much like to see this happen, but I don't think it will.

And of course, i would like to see a "better" hack. But with some effort, the current hack can be considered as a "full hack" (ok, i'm obviously biased here, sorry). Microsoft just did a hell of a good job this time, that is the real problem.

On gamecube, the scene has lived with the PSO exploit for one and a half year or so (which can be compared to the 360 exploit in terms of usabilty), and in that time has developed an impressive set of homebrew stuff. Interestingly, when the modchips (viper etc.) arrived, the homebrew scene virtually stopped. What a pity. (You could argue that the system just aged, though, but i don't think so).

Bottom line: Please try to not judge usefullness. We all have a very obscure hobby, and I respect pretty much people collecting games for playing them and looking at them, so I somehow expect the same respect for people not interested in playing these games at all.

For me, homebrew means "running unsigned code". In the last few weeks I recognized that other people have other definitions, which I must accept as well.

 

tmbinc more hard to get the xdk hardware its get the dev soft, debug units can be found here often, but the soft is another story, the machine without the soft its only usefull if you want to play debug games on dvd, but miss everything that makes this machine sooo wornderfull this way ...

I really love almost all that ms done this time, except for two things :
one is the bad quality of the hardware (sooo many units dead; who dosent knows a friend with a dead machine? )
And finally (thats my poin of view, remember) the policts they have with the microsoft points and the gamerscore, im sure they would have gamers really really happy doing some kind of exchange. But anyways as the bans on xbox live, im sure the loose of money is really well calculated ...
Cheers for your great work, it was an amazing achievement, i would really fell myself upset afther achieve that to show it with my face hidden

 

are you saying that a machine with power supply to efuse removed and last kernel wont boot lastest games ?, cause i doubt it ...

the efuse tryck its meant to be able to downgrade, nothing more ...

Cheers

 

anyways i dont see you botting these betas on retail soon, cause we cant even run retail games on dev machines ...