Attaining God Like fighter skills and dealing with FGC Snobs...

Story time, As some of you know I'm without my own computer and it'll be at least 6 months before I can toss the funds together to buy a new one. In the meentime quite a few fighters are hitting PS3. As is my understanding most tournaments use the PS3 as the standard So it made sense to me to get rid of all my 360 fighters and get the PS3 versions and yeah, for the most part they are exactly the same Blazblue and P4arena have better looking sprites but that's it. Anyways I'm getting off track I have 6 months, 1 class in Asian history so I have alot of spare time good time to pick a fighter and get GOD LIKE at it. I'm close with Sol in Guilty Gear in fact back in the #Reload days I was unstoppable with Sol. When they changed Sol and his moves I wasn't AS GOOD. Guilty Gear is DEF a contender for "Game to get god like at"

So in my dealings with other gamers less grumpy than some of you (I admit you guys seem to have mellowed in my time away) I ran into this one well TOTAL SNOB that as Ave does with my Shmup playing so this guy does with me and fighters. Difference is every last thing Ave says about the way I play shmups is true, It still annoys me to no end, but he's right Hell, I could use this computer downtime to get better at Ketsui too. But yeah this guy his method of "Encouraging me" is to piss me off. Even his beliefs in fighting games are the total opposite of how I feel about playing and enjoying fighters worst of which is "Single player is useless" He swears you develop bad habbits if you play single player. I challenged him to beat Art of Fighting 2 and then tell me if that's still true. He refuses I think we all know you have serious gamer cred if you can beat Art of Fighting 2 at the hardest difficulty with no continues or round losses. But yeah this guy also says he's a console gamer...but only games on PC so I can't take him seriously he's just a pure snob and I'm sure if I dare venture back to SRK I'll run into those who are worse. He did pretty much shut up when he saw what I can do in DOA5 skills I learned PLAYING SINGLE PLAYER.

I do play alot of Transatlantic DOA with a Friend of mine in Birmingham who only has Core fighters but that's fine by him, he has a major hard on for Ayane. From the looks of it he and I ARE the DOA5 U tournament scene.

So all that said, what fighters are you guys God like at? If you compete how do you train? Also, anyone ever encounter a snob like the one I just talked about?

 

Well, certain FGs are better on the 360. Marvel and SF4 come to mind, and this is why Evo switched from PS3s to 360s for Evo 2014. No clue what your rant is about, but the only way to get better is to play other people. You can grind training mode until the cows come home, but if you never play against other people, it's all pointless. If you're asking how to grind training mode, it depends on you, and it's your job to find out what works best.

 

EVO sold out That was obvious when they shoved KI down our throats last year. Microsoft is probably paying them well to go 360. I'm no SF expert but I see NO difference between AE 2012 on 360 and AE 2012 on PS3. My Win/loss record is worse on PS3 than 360 but that may be because my MAS Sticks hate me. EVO doesn't seem to take technical merit into account when it chooses games anymore, it's all about who buys in and who gets voted in. SBO however...

My rant really was more about how annoying the fighting game snobs are and that what they say isn't really true.

here's a really good article on how Daigo Trains. If I'm going to model my style after anyone he's the guy. (or Justin Wong)

http://kotaku.com/world-class-street-fighter-player-doesnt-have-a-game-c-1515591621

 

SF4 and Marvel are better on 360. Its pretty much an undisputed fact. I believe there is 1 or 2 frames of lag on the PS3, which doesnt sound like much, except at high level you NEED to hit your 1-frame links and the lag throws of your timing.

Gotta agree that playing Single player is a waste of time for fighting games. I only do it if there are unlockables that cant be gotten otherwise.

Im certainly not godlike, but Im pretty decent at Street Fighter 4, was was ok at MvC3(too much tech too keep up).

I found that having someone to play against thats either at your level or slightly higher motivates you to get better. Outside of that learn you characters best combos/setups, watch high level play and apply anything you see that can help your game, and play online to get some experience in all matchups.

EVO doesn't seem to take technical merit into account when it chooses games anymore, it's all about who buys in and who gets voted in. SBO however...

And SBO pretty much lost all its prestige. Holding a tournament outside so that weather and glare is a problem. Making the 2 foreigner teams play to get 1 spot, when the were both supposed to have guaranteed spots, instead of the japanese teams that qualified after them. On top of that I prefer Evo's double elimination format over SBOs one and done.

 

PS3 SF4 is 2 frames slower. The FGC has always been filled with trash talk and annoying people, so it's nothing new.

 

Switching gears for a sec. Does anyone know what DOA5 U's Arcade button layout is so that when I get my stick I can adjust it accordingly? I have ALMOST all the trophies in it so playing online is really all I can do with it at this point. That and the DLC swimsuit costumes (nearly topless leifang incoming BOING)

 

You gotta play single player mode to get your execution down, but that's only half the story. If you only care about beating the computer, though, then ignore the rest of this post.

Once your execution is perfect, then play against real people, because real people adapt. Computer AI doesn't always adapt. Real people (top tier real people) will know your strategy and how to counter it. You have to counter their counters. Computer AI usually has 1 strategy. There's no yomi against the computer.

Yeah, you can get by beating AOF2 on the hardest difficulty, but at some point, that's like playing a shmup: you're just learning the ai's patterns and figuring out how to deal with them. Those strategies probably won't work against top level competition. Being able to make long, complicated combos is cool, but it means nothing if your opponent never gives you an opening (or you never open up your opponent).

I used to play a ton of GGX (Venom) & SFIII (Makoto), that was back when I had a lot of free time, because the #1 way to get good at fighting games is to practice. You gotta practice execution & figure out what strategies your competition is going to do. I used to go to the local arcade and play other people and talk to them about what they do any why (and do the same thing on SRK and Dustloop). We had fairly regular tournaments too.

I've won small time tournaments in those games, but nothing big. Even recently with BB And P4Arena, I've tried posting vids online to get feedback on my play. People (on Dustloop) have been generally helpful (every community is going to have jerks like the one you've been dealing with), but I know I don't have the time to put forth the effort to get GDLK at fighters anymore, but that said, I do still play casually, and I love the comments I get in my PSN inbox after I win. I've gotten death and rape threats, and my favorite: I've been told to "suck a crate of dils". A whole crate!

 

As its been stated by a few here, PS3 is not the tournament standard... at least not across the board for most current fighters and Re-releases. The big two (SF4 and UMvC3) perform much better on 360 and as such is the preferred platform for Tournaments. It's pretty much fact by now about SSF4: AE input latency and even more pressing performance issues concerning UMvC3 on the PS3. The following current fighters are preferred on the 360:
-SSF4: AE ver. 2012
-UMvC3
-SFxT
-DOA5U
-Injustice
-SF3 3rd Strike: OE
-SF2 HD Remix

 

I haven't noticed ANY difference at all between DOA5 on PS3 and 360. Nor UMVC3 AE 2012 My win/loss is a bit off but I blame my MAS Sticks for being unresponse sacks of shit. I don't play Injustice so that doesn't affect me. I don't like SFxT and I kept HD Remix and 3rdma Strike on 360 So that's my experence. The only other massive difference I noticed was the load times in Tekken 6 on PS3 VS 360

 

I believe the DOA difference is much of the same as SF4 AE (input latency). Marvel 3 on PS3 suffers from way too many framerate dips and graphical screen tearing when too much is going on in the play field (which is basically always in high level play). Its the same story for TTT2 as it was for T6. Everything on 360 Tag2 is instant whearas PS3 takes a bit to load into local Vs. matches, music, menus, customise shop etc. Sure Tag2 on PS3 is the tournameng standard, but that mostly due to the influx of predominant pad players for the game. It has little to do with how well the game runs.

 

On 360 I had DOA5, On PS3 I only have Ultimate I have no idea how different DOA5 U is on 360 becuase, I don't have it on 360 I can't say I lost any DOA5U matches online due to lag or input delays I CAN say that for SSFIV AE but I think that's becuase of the stick I was using. As for Tekken Tag 2 other than the longer load times and mandatory install I haven't seen much difference But I play the game alittle differently now than I did when we played a year or so ago I'm trying to learn Xiayou but seems to get caught up in spamming her Back RK. UMVC3 I can't really take Marvel too seriously all I noticed is like Tag 2 it's a mandatory install on PS3. I've yet to notice any graphical issues or lag Nobody seems to play it online so I can't say much there. Mortal Kombat is a game I'll never be THE MAN at but I have found on PS3 it is def way better graphically and in how it plays. for some reason I find a few things in KOFXIII harder to do on PS3 than 360. But my lack of wins on Line is universal between both versions.

 

Thanks to everyone who has posted so far. This is very useful for me as I want to pick up some of these fighters but was never sure on which version to get. Other than Mortal Kombat are there any others fighters that are better on PS3?

 

CD Ages is pretty hardcore His posts on other forums detail things only the most observant and hardcore would know. Honestly the differences to me any way between versions are negligible. If you're just a casual player like me just go with your system preference. I think Blazblue plays better on PS3 and looks better But If I'm not mistaken I hear it was the target platform. For the most part a casual player isn't going to notice 2 frames being slower, but you will notice longer load times. So just go for whatever platform you prefer.

 

KI is actually a good fighting game. It'll be a great fighting game once they finish it (add all of the characters and a story mode). You should play it some time.

Of course, I'm more of a 2D shooter guy than a fighting game guy. The only fighting games I ever spent much time with were the Fatal Fury games, SFAlpha3, and Astra Superstars. Oh, and Fighters Megamix. But I do enjoy the new KI.

 

I'm generally not very good at fighting games. I'm proficient enough at most games that I can easily beat someone with no experience whatsoever - but up against an experienced player, I can't really compete. The games I have gotten reasonably good at are the Virtua Fighter, Fighting Vipers, and DOA series, and only because I've played them so much. I've beaten VF3 with no continues or round losses, though I think it's probably the easiest game in the series. Nonetheless, it's still my favorite. I've never really played games to be competitive; I play them for the experience and for fun. Those two reasons are why games are made in the first place; so if you don't have them in mind at all, I'm not really sure what the point is.

About Killer Instinct: I love those games (the original, 2, and Gold), but I suck at them. The single player modes are so fucking hard! I have a friend who owned the SNES version as a kid and became very good at it. He beats me every single time we play; I don't stand a chance. I still like KI, though - mainly because of the graphics and the music.

About SFIV: I would think that the PC version is the best one available. It has the benefit of being able to run in 1080p or higher - and since modern PCs are much more powerful than either the 360 or PS3, lag is probably less of an issue. However, I'm not a big fan of that game, so I haven't tested the different versions thoroughly. I actually like the graphical style, but I just don't find it to be very fun.

 

Using Tekken Tunes to Import the KI soundtrack into Tekken Tag 2 and Dressing Xiayou and Michelle up like Orchid are about as close as I'll get to playing KI 2013 unless somehow Rare goes 3rd party. For one I don't know anyone with a Cablebox one, and I for sure don't want it so my chances of playing it anytime soon are quite slim. I was never a fan of the Killer Instinct series to begin with, it always felt like a rushed masherfest It was however really interesting to read about Rare's efforts to make it in Retro Gamer though. I always like the series music though and back in the day when I was reading EGM I'd be listening to Killer Cuts which often would play while I was reading about Tekken . So Importing KI music into Tekken Tag 2 Takes it full circle.

 

Yes. Killer Instinct is a great game... :rolleyes-new:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibr6hf4ndlA&feature=youtu.be&t=42s

All flash. No substance. And Jago's not the only problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUd3LHEDlM0

I really don't trust RARE to make a fighting game. I don't know how the new game is doing (and i know double helix developed it), but there is a reason it got booed at EVO last year.

 

Well first of all, I was referring to the new KI as good. I look back on the original fondly because I enjoyed it when I was 10, but I don't play much of it today.

Second, the likely reason it got booed was because of snot nosed gamers that had a stick up their ass about MS.

 

Any hatred towards microsoft is totally valid. Windows 8 sucks, Cablebox One sucks, Windows phones suck Windows update was acting up on two computers and gave me panic attacks.... so YEAH I am MORE than little resentful towards Microsoft. BUT even without all that I don't think I'd have a high opinion of KI 2013 outside of the music. The music is great as the series always had. That isn't to say that the XBOX hasn't had good fighters excluisive to them. Kakuto Chojin could have been a contender if Islamophobia hand't derailed it more care into a sequel and it really could have been something. What I played of Tao Feng was fantastic. But that goes way back to XBOX Classic when they could take risks now it's just bleed as much money out of people for a service and give very little in terms of games. It's the whole Reason I got a PS3, I got sick of Microsoft's focus being on non gaming things. Half assing everything is one of the reasons KI 2013 released unfinished.

 

Killer Instinct on the Xbox One is easily the best vs Fighter released since the original Streetfighter IV. It's a genuinely fantastic game to play and the most fun I've had on the 'next-gen' so far. It's a genuinely top notch game.

I don't see the point in hating a console because it's become the popular thing to do. If anything Sony are the ones who need the negative spotlight turned on them for their awful scheduling and inability to get indies to create something that's not already on PC (with the exception of Resogun).