AVS - New hardware based NES/Famicom console being released.

What comparison to the cic clone? I never mentioned it once.

I agree with the minimig and myst - reimplementation.

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Is this an emulator?
No. An emulator is a software that recreates the behaviour of one machine on another one. The MIST (like all other FPGA based approaches) re-implements the hardware or at least implements a hardware that behaves like the original machine"

But what do the people who made these things know, right?

But we are just going over the same thing. As I said above, we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

man nintendo do love Rj11 connectors...

Also this will be more popular than the HDNES three reasons:

Price
marketing
installation

Although I'm sure nintendos lawyers will cock block this thing into oblivion from being sold in big box stores and large reatilers

 

The design is sleek but I already modded my toploader for hdmi.

 

Nintendo lost the rights to the NES console long ago. I remember this cause they released a NES on a chip right after their rights expired. It was called NEX. So I don't think legally Nintendo can do anything to stop this. I don't know if the makers of AVS actually have the ambitions of stocking it in a big store anyway. Probably got a small production crew.

 

Actually the NES clones did exactly that. They copied the chips exactly. They did not reverse engineer the whole system and make their own. They copied/cloned them. They are not emulators. They are functional clones. The issues most clones you find today suffer from are incorrect cartridge port wiring and a bug in the APU reversing duty cycles. But they are most certainly clones and not "emulators".

The AVS obviously isn't just a PPU and CPU copy. However if it's supposed to be as compatible as it claims then it most certainly copies the logic in the CPU and PPU. How else would it run the same software without doing the same thing? Cretainly there is additional logic going on for features like digital AV output and then logic missing like analog NTSC video generation.

But I agree with Bad_Ad in that this is not an "emulator". I'd call it a clone. It's an enhanced clone. The Retron 5 or whatever it is called is an emulator.

To the actual topic, the AVS and not what is or isn't an emulator. I think this is great that a new clone system will finally be on the market and support digital AV for those stuck with HDTVs. More options is always good. I may eventually get one. I am planning to get a system with the NESRGB mod first because I'd rather play on a CRT than a HDTV. It's disappointing to me that the AVS does not support analog AV. I'm sure it simplified things to only have digital AV but it would have been a huge deal to me if it had both.

 

I think the problem with this thread is that people are taking the word "emulate" too literally. To most, "Emulator" refers to an application that recreates another piece of hardware through software. They've been called that for well over a decade, so it's become a name for it like we call adhesive bandages "Band-aids". The word police are technically not wrong, but it complicates things because those programs don't really have a universal name beyond "Emulator". So when you start calling hardware clones "emulators" it starts to confuse things.

Can we all agree on this? Please? I don't think arguing about technicalities of what a word means is doing anyone, or this thread, any good.

 

Oh jesus Ive been looking for this image for YEARS!! I saw it once in a documentary and never saw it again, even after searching!

 

I read on wikipedia that Jet Moto 3 is one game that was incompatible with 1st gen PS1's due to hardware revisions.

 

Maybe the word everyone has been looking for here is Simulator.

Simulator

• a machine designed to provide a realistic imitation of the controls and operation of a vehicle, aircraft, or other complex system, used for training purposes. "a driving simulator"

• a program enabling a computer to execute programs written for a different operating system.
  noun: simulator program; plural noun: simulator programs

 

No, this machine is a modern clone

 

A Simucloneulator.


Nailed it.

 

Just thought I would link these videos from Lon Seidman:

Review:


Direct Capture:


Looks great!

 

They use the same kinda chips (FPGA) in SD2SNES to simulate the special chips it can have. My understanding is when programmed correctly they function just like the original chip. The reason the cartridge don't have full compatibility is because they didn't write behavior for all the chips yet. So to me it sounds like a good substitute as it's been tested on video games already.

 

Another NES hardware emulator (just kidding ), has been announced : the Analogue NT mini, successor to the Analogue NT.
The firs version reused NES components with the HDMI kit from kevtris, but it looks like the mini version uses an upgraded version of the HDMI kit.
Kevtris mentioned in the comments of this video that analogue output was possible, and the Analogue NT outputs RGB.
You can have a vs comparison here.

Both of them have weak spots :
- Analogue NT is expensive. Waaaay too expensive.
- It is hard to use the FDS kit on Analogue NT
- RetroUSB AVS's features seems cheap : no 1080p, no filters, no palette choice, No in-game menu, cheap menu interface, no USB host...

And Bunnyboy has a bad reputation about the support of his past devices. Both of his Powerpacks had flaws (buggy mappers, incompatibilities with some games), and they were never fixed. Without Ramsis's alternate menu, the Super Powerpack would have been long forgotten.
Kevtris's support is better, but for how long, he already wrote that he was fed up with all HDMI related work :s

I guess I won't buy any

 

Well, I just pre-ordered the AVS. Having doubts already lol... I really like the look of it. It does what I want it to do.. But then theres the other side of it, where, I can just use a Raspberry Pi and it'll do all the same things as the AVS, with more options and added features.

EDIT: Cancelled it! lol. I can't afford £180 on something that an emulator can do just as well... Sure it's not the same, and the AVS would be better overall, but, Not at such a price.

 

Yes, but you shouldn't support a guy selling gold plated versions of his console for 10,000 each. That's just greed, straight up. It kills any logical reasoning that even the regular console should actually cost almost $500 and it isn't an excessive markup. I think the only thing he added was HDMI and how much could that have cost. It's only 50 dollars cheaper than the last version of the Analogue NT. Sure it gots a controllers and those extras but you still have to pay twice as much as the AVS to get them. He is wasteful of money by including an aluminum shell instead of plastic.

If I were getting one I'd still get the AVS. It has what I want. Game Genie before powering on the system, and I know the Game Genie codes are labelled and there is a database included so you may not have to enter them yourself. I probably only need 720p cause my tv upscales to 1080p anyway. I'm guessing the menu interface of the AVS is to continue using the NES style cause seeing a 1080p rendered text and menu could really take you outta the game. Honestly AVS has scanlines and you can control how dark they are, that's enough filter for me.

Don't forget that AVS still has online leaderboards.

Both systems use FPGA to emulate the chips so game compatibility should be about the same.

Edit: AtomizerZero, have fun keeping a keyboard and mouse plugged into your "console" at all times.

 

Agreed. The price is ridiculous. No way I put 450$ on this.

No, a FPGA is only a component. What matters is what you put inside : the Verilog or VHDL code. Like any software, it can be accurate, or not.
A bad VERILOG implementation can be worse than any software emulator.

You can use raspberry pi without keyboard and mouse. In fact, you can play emulators with only a bluetooth dongle and a wiredess controller.

 

Not sure where your hostility is coming from Moo to be honest. Unless of course you are seriously offended by emulators or the Raspberry Pi?

And thank you, djelaba. I was going to say the same thing

 

I didn't mean to type that in bold. I copied your name so I could remember it and pasted it. It was a link so I deleted it but after I did that the text became bold. So I had to finish my sentence in bold.

 

The Analog NT Mini having both RGB and HDMI sounds nice. Too bad it's probably cheaper to get a NESRGB modded console and a AVS for the same price or less.