BB Navi install on 10k....please kill me.

The drive was brand new so I assumed it to be a factory fault. They didn't bother repairing it. It had no effect on the drive being usable at all as the only thing that was giving issues with it was the OSD boot up MBR.

Everything else worked perfectly with that drive. I suppose repairing it would require sending it back to Maxtor and they didn't want to.

 

What if, it was a problem with only the Maxtor units, which occurs after a long period of disuse (i.e. surface flaking off)?
Mine eventually failed anyway (within a few months) - probably one of the heads crashed, due to about 20K bad sectors suddenly opening up.

 

One problem I have seen on old HDDs is the bearing of the spindle motor leaking and spilling droplets of oil...

 

Hdd 1 the one i can format.

 

Hdd 2 the one that will not format in ule.

 

Didn't you write earlier on that you had one that was faulty (i.e. has surface damage)? The bad firmware region is surface damage.

You could try to run HDDChecker on them, to see their SMART status and to run a surface scan. If there are bad sectors that cannot be remapped by the HDD's controller and APA runs into one, the format process will fail.

For more intrisic tests, you should use their manufacturer's tools to test the disks.

 

No we still have no indication that there is anything actually wrong with the drives. It is just a theory.

 

Yeah, hence why I am saying that you should run surface tests. If there are bad sectors that cannot be remapped (with the manufacturer's tool), then the disk is faulty and there really isn't much more to talk about it (it's dead).

What I wrote about APA, was based on my understanding of the APA driver's functionality.

 

Gimme a little time to hunt down the maxtor and seagate stuff and jam these in my desktop.

 

The SEAGATE drive I have which doesn't work with PSBBN (the one with the blank security area) works fine with uLE and with the red sleeve(1.00) HDD utility disc.

About the surface damage, the firmware module that had damage was exactly the same one which holds the security sector. But the drive was able to provide the security sector.

I think the MBR did something else which caused a command to fail and it was aborting the HDD OSD boot. Perhaps calling it SMART failure was not proper. So I remapped the sector and copied the whole sector (I preserved the original security data but took the rest from another drive) from a working drive, fixed the module CRC and then it started working 100%.

 

well I do have a working maxtor drive in my 37000

 

The Maxtor disk in my other SCPH-20400 works fine too. I just got a bad one in my first unit.

@l_oliveira: I do not know about yours. But mine could not have the SMART feature enabled, presumably due to the firmware being corrupted. I plugged it into my PC and saw that the command never gets acknowledged by the disk (my ASUS board said that the command failed to issue). On the PS2, the same thing happens (hence the long pause of about 5s at the MBR program's boot), except that it will not display the reason for aborting the boot process.

This has nothing to do with the DNAS stuff, if you thought that I was referring to your Seagate disk.

The MBR program will check for:
1. HDD connected and formatted.
2. Attempt to enable SMART
3. Check the SMART status for a failed status.
4. Check for an error partition. If it is __system, abort boot. Otherwise, run FSCK.

 

Because it would make absolutely no sense to do so - a drive that has a SMART failure is defective - and if you are a big OEM like Sony, you don't try to use defective product, you just ship it back and tell the vendor to ship you ones that work.

In any case, I'm pretty sure that the drive I had didn't have any SMART problems - it worked perfectly in a PC, didn't have any surface errors and the error counts didn't seem to be increasing, so it would appear to be fully functional. It just didn't work in a retail. The other thing is that I'm pretty sure I tried to install it both with the HDD Utility Disc 1.00 and BB-Navi (using original discs), and it wouldn't work with either of them. I am also about 99% sure that it was never used - when I got it it was still in the box, everything still had the plastic protective sheets and the cables had twist-ties on them.

 

'llo here,
with authorization of the owner of this thread, may I join your discussion ?
I got one of those HDD SCPH-20400 recently, and a PS2 SCPH-10000.
i started a thread here :
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads...et-station-and-ps2-bb-unit.61195/#post-879075
As it's described, i hooked evrything, PS2 is working normally, the HDD doesn't show any sign of work, but it seems normal.
Actually, i don't have any boot disc, and I'm a bit lost in navi3.0, navi 2.0, PSBBN, etc..
For now, my goal would be to find an ISO of the good boot disc, and try to format/set this HDD, and check if this piece of hardware is functionnal. Any tips are welcome.

if by any time, Agent21KGB, you disapprove of my intrusion, feel free to ask me to delete this post.
Thank you !

 

You should probably ask in another thread, given that your problem is a different one (you just need software).


When the HDD unit was released, there was a browser update (v2.00, aka the "HDD OSD" or "HDD Browser") that got distributed on the HDD Utility Disc that came with the HDD units.
Eventually, it got replaced with the PSBBN (allows browsing of the PSBB), which was the predecessor to the PSN store.

Anyway, you need software that will install the system driver update onto a memory card. Any one of the software that @unclejun mentioned would do.
FMCB is also a substitute for the system driver update, so you can install both FMCB and FHDB.
The browser update isn't strictly required to get access to the HDD unit, unless you want to have a true PlayStation 2 experience that is as SONY-like as possible (i.e. HDD Browser + HDLGameInstaller, to allow direct booting of games from the HDD Browser, as if they were downloaded from the PSBB)

EDIT: to clarify, the HDD Utility Disc (for both the HDD Browser and the PSBBN) will install the system driver update.
This system driver update is required by the PC CARD consoles (SCPH-10000, SCPH-15000 and SCPH-18000) because their BOOT ROMs cannot search for updates on the HDD unit.

 

Well, so i apologize for polluting Agent21KGB's thread, and will try to use FMCB, as i just want to make this official HDD work, not really experiment the official Sony's PSBB.
I hope to see you on my threadas i'll report my progress.
Thank you very much for your reply, and once again, sorry for polluting (i can delete my posts if wanted).
See ya anywhere else

 

Hi, sp193 does the SCPH-18000 need the memory card driver? I thought it had the same rom as the later 3000X models. I did want to get one to play with that feature..

 

All of the 10k series need a card.

 

Gonna slam the hdds in my 37000 and see if they will play nice when I get home tonight. That should pretty much answer our questions. Post that I'll run the maxtor/seagate disc software if they still won't play nice.

 

And I have just installed .30 navi on my 37000 ps2 with the seagate drive that fails completely on the 10k, can't even format it in ule. Now what? So the copy of the navi disc is good, the drive is good, the external adapter/pcmcia adapter is bad? which makes no sense since you can poll the hdd in ule. This is really frustrating now. (note the 37000 is the one with the Matrix Infinity) Worst yet I can't even use like a legit 10k hdd mem card save to access it and solve this deal since it has to be tied to the ps2 during install of navi.