Becoming a permanent resident.....

Yeah, I made mine narrow in the beginning then changed it after to include everything. But it sounds like being a contracted worker is a convenience for you. A lot of companies in Japan want you to be an employee. I can do just about anything as long as a company doesn't mind signing a business-to-business contract with me where technically I'm working for my company and not for them.

 

There's more upside to being a sei-shain and not on a contract. You have a lot more leverage when they come through w/ the restructuring stick. You're obviously a special case though.

The only problems I've heard of about working in a field your visa doesnt' cover is when the employer has cold feet. Happens sometimes, but not as often as you'd expect. Nothing like in America.

 

Permanent residency is crap. you still need to apply for re-entry, and they could take you permanent residency if they decide so and kick you ass out of the country.
The best way to become permanent, is getting this:


Citizenship! No need to deal with immigration f*cktards, no need of re-entry, more easy to get loan for buying house or appartments, and a lot of other advantages.
only on disatvantage, is losing nationality, but if you are not from a cursed country, you can keep your nationality.(It depend of the law of your home country).
I got mine in 2008, starting from application until being granted took 1 year and half.

Requirements are the following:

-have continous residence in japan for at least 3-4 years.(not 5 or 10!this is bullshit)
-don be a fucking gaijin (do not commit crime, do not overstay, have a steady job)
-pay your taxes for at least 3 years!!!it is the most important to qualify!
-work for a japanese company. (baitos, english teachers, etc does not qualify)
-be polit with your neighbors, because they will be interviewed about your attitude.
-write test kanji (level 2)(Not required in Tokyo, but required in Saitama.)
-clear 4 or 5 interviews.
-clear the paperwork
-Accept you lose your original nationality(does not apply to all countries)
-Wait..and prey, because if you are rejected once, game over. no continue.

It is really case by case.
-Is the guy that will check your application is cool or not
-Is your country in very good relation with Japan?
-there is a quota for naturalization per year. if you application arrive at the end of the year, thats not good at all.
-being married to j-national does not affect in advantage your application(it does for permanent residency)


hope it helps.

 

It doesn't, really. Citizenship is rarely granted... I'm sure most people are smart enough not to bother.

There's a whole hour of your life gone every 10 years. That's rough. The upside is you get to play both sides of the field, and re-entry permits are bar none the shortest lines at Narita. I've come into the country about 8 times now that they gave re-entry permits their own lines and there's never more than 3 people in front of me.

They can take ANY visa away if you get deported. Protip: have a kid. Deportation is almost impossible at that point. Even w/ a J-wife it is unlikely.

LOL -- kanken level 2? I know about 3 westerners w/ a higher Japanese level than mine. Only one bothered w/ the test and he cleared 3 and gave up on 2 b/c "it's only kanji you will never see".

Upside to citizenship? Basically none unless you want to brag about it and you think that will make you cool. You'll get the right to vote, which makes absolutely no difference in the world since Japan is incapable of change. You will still be discriminated against and you cannot pay for a blowjob in a "no gaijin" place, even if you're a tool and bust out your Japanese passport like Debito does. That dude has a ton of time.

The giving up your citizenship is huge, no matter where you are. It's no secret: Japan is fucked in the long term (long term as in when we're old and gray). If you're locking yourself into one country, it should probably be any of them except Japan. Keep a visa here and your home passport = you can escape anytime people wake up and realize that it's game over.

 

In my case, It was easier to take Citizenship than eijuken, and did not lose my original nationality.(cannot lose nationality in home country law).
Saying J-citizenship is almost never granted is wrong.times have changed, and it is far easier to take it than 10 year ago.Now it depends upon where you from.
About BJ services,Cabarets, health bordello, soapland discrimination? I never been victim of any discrimination, in any location, since i came here 7 year ago...And never had to show my "super-cool-J-blue-Passport".I did not took citizenship for that...Peoples have to just change their " Yeah, AM from USA" arrogant-gaijin-attitude, and they will never feel discriminated here.(im not talking about Anti-gaijin-Onsen in rural areas..)
Only a few number of foreigners are complaining about discrimination,
If they feel so discriminated and the country situation sucks so much, why don t they just go back to their home country now ?

 

That is simply not true. Honestly, it never bothered me until I had a wife & kid, and I've realized my "worth" in Japan has changed almost zero. I've stated it before, that your life will change the most in Japan when you become a fluent speaker. I really thought things would be easier but I just tried to move and got the fucking run-around from the renter. It also won't change if you get a Japanese passport, just as half-kids are still dominated by the gaijin half (even the few that speak natively and are Japanese-literate).

But, when I say racism, I'm not referring to getting turned away at a door. In fact, I never have. A few real estate agents I went into made sure I could speak Japanese before dealing with me but that's it. And I don't go to fuzoku, which is traditionally the one that's the subject of racial debate. What I'm referring to is far more subtle... and as such, it's more irksome. To me, anyway.

 

ASSembler:You right.
China is better place to live.I think peoples should not come or even try to become permanent in such cursed country like Japan.
I don t understand why truck load of peoples still want to live"Nippon Dreamu"

GaijinPunch: Again, Japan passport is not an "anti-discrimination weapon".just an atlernative way to become permanent with more advantage. (subject of the topic)

 

They have a brighter, long-term financial future. Just b/c you're denied the same busic human rights the citizens are doesn't make it a better place to live.

 

We should all move where we are granted basic human rights...

GaijinPunch,if you were married to J-wife and have a kid, would you escape from this discriminatory country?
Because long-term financial is getting worse a little more everyday you know.
If i was married, i could not after X years, bring back aboard J-wife and kids because i m just pissed off about evil japanese system.
Wife and Kid born here, raised here, speak maybe only japanese. Bringin back family to home country just? Cultural shock would be to big for them.(grand parents, friends, culture, food, etc)

An example:
Fucking gaijin came in Japan to live "His Nippon dreamu", banged j-girl and make her pregnant, marry J-girl(It helps for the visa..), but he found after X years living here, that Japan was not so pink as he dreamed.So he is Looking a way to escape in the future from this country if situation is getting worse while keeping his precious Visa = Typical fucking-gaijin-egoist who should just not come in the first place.

 

I know your semi-new here, but you'll fit right in w/ your broad-sweeping statements. Your illustration is a familiar one, but not to me, and not to most people I Know. The only convenience I had from my long term relationship w/ my wife was that she was good at fixing my fucked up Japanese way back when. Now she just tells me I suck when I make a mistake. We dated for ages before we bothered getting married, and my visa has never been an issue as I've always been gainfully employed.

But, it's no secret that I am debating long-term residence elsewhere, for many reasons. One b/c I'm being asked to do so by the people who put a roof over my head, and two, the issues here: both long & semi-long term. I've gained a lot of boutique experience here dealing with Japanese markets. But, I don't know if that skill set is going to be so valuable in five years, and I'm long past the stage where me speaking Japanese really matters. It wasn't quite so obvious to me 3 years ago when I came back. All I heard in the states was change, and actually saw action (whether it worked or not is another story). Here, everybody knows it's fucked, and nobody does anything except elect a new PM. It's dismal. That really was the nail in the coffin. I guess I played the blind mind for quite a while... or just didn't care. The harsh realization is that due to the slow nature of Japan's problems, they're going to bleed the place a while longer before getting better. That is not reassuring.

So to answer your question: of course I could leave.

 

Does situation is so better in America or Europe?i don t think so.Tell me a place on this earth were there are absolutely no discrimination, no economical problem, no criminality?There are tons of problem in Japan, as there are tons of problem elsewhere.
Here is far to be the best place to live, but it is far to be the worst.
Before i came here, i knew that country was cursed and was not anymore the golden place to be. I had both very good and very bad experience, all was not so easy everyday.Language, culture difference (What some call "discrimination"),shit job and poor salary, etc etc.
Now, i am OK, but i cant say how things will change.Yes it is not reassuring to see how thing go here, i ll have to deal with it.I made a choice, i have to take my responsibilities.

After all, most of us decided to go to Japan ourself, Japan didn t call us nor needed us. So we cannot blame Japan for being a cursed country which does not grant basic human rights.It is not an immigrant country, it is not a gaijin Disneyland and never will.
Taking citizenship does not mean, becoming japanese, no discrimination, etc. you never become Japanese. You stay gaijin from the day you come to the day you die.
What is the matter about this?Just be yourself, respect the rules, work hard and shut the fuck up. It does not matter with color or religion. this is how the basic Japanese guy thinks about gaijins.
Bitching about gaijin/non-gaijin difference, is nothing else what i could call "gaijin complex" and, yes, it is the best way to become discriminated.
Each one has his own reasons to taking Citizenship or not, taking eijuken or not, going back to home or not.
As long you are happy, what you do or where you live, does not matter.

 

Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism

You don't have to agree that ethnic diversity makes a better place. In fact, you can argue against it but I've found usually religious diversity is what causes most of those problems. We have seen through history that reclusive civillizations shrivel up and die. If diversity is such a bad thing I can't see why western education strives so hard to achieve it. The world is an international place now. Period. If Japan wants to go on keeping its autonomy at the cost of its progression, that's fine, and they're definitely on that path, and that's their business. But we can now see quite plainly the long term effects of their closed-country policy, and it may very well be the proverbial nail in the coffin. The US is just as susceptible to depopulation as Japan, but has utilized what Japan apparently fears most: immigration. The government keeps pouring money into the system trying to get people to reproduce, in vein for the most part. I've lived here for a while, and have been exposed to various levels of society. I think the jig is up, to say the least.

However, this really has nothing to do w/ discrimination, and is really just about survival. That should go in the "Japan is fucked and everyone knows it" thread, which specifically targets the depopulation issue and Japan's impotence in doing anything about it.

I don't think so, but I give the basic Japanese guy a lot more credit than most.

 

Multiculturalism may have benefit to Japan(especially for Debito and other gaijin savior good convenience..), but when you see what 25 years of massive multiculturalism did to France, England or Germany...

im quite skeptic about integration with Japanese Obaachan or Okinawa 14 years old school girls.
Massive multiculturalism erase a country history and culture on the long term.
Only peoples from countries buit from scratch does not worry about.

 

Might want to have that looked into.

 

It is not some body infection :lol:
i meant "doubting".sorry for my bad english
Don t be too discriminatory with non native-english speaker please;-)

 

Hence, the choice. It's social-darwinism. I'm sure North Korea has a very ingrained cultural, and has virtually zero chance of being penetrated by western culture. Ask yourself if Japan is in a better position now than it would have been had it not cut itself off from the rest of the world for 250 years. Keeping your autonomy in an international world comes with a hefty price. Anyone can take that route, I just think it's the stupid one... some scientists even released a paper recently with a new theory that states we evolved only b/c we invented commerce.

As I come from a very conservative part of the states, I will always see lack of diversity as close-mindedness.

 

I don t know, maybe Nobunaga does.
You look to have far more knowledge than me and my english is not sufficient to enter more elaborated discussion, so i could not answer your questions.
In fact i does not care and have no time to spend with meditation about "How if Japan did or did not","Will japan decide to torture overstayers with nato" "why does atomic structure of piripiri ramen make me shit the evening", etc.
I enjoy my life here in actual Japan era, with its good and bad side. Once i will die, as far my friends or my (maybe future) family is not affected,What will happen here in 100 or 500 years, is not my problem.
I didn t come here as "super-gaijin-saving-Japan-from-the-apocalypse".
I leave this task to "hima" guys like Debito and other Pro-multiculturalism-fanatics
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who is this Debito that everyone goes on about? Is he some gaijin who has mastered the ways of Japanese thinking ?

 

a guy from US who got J-citizenship and now shit on japanese racist system.
Enjoy

http://www.debito.org/