CRT televisions

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  1. STARGONE

    STARGONE Active Member

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    Ive been lurking on these forums for a while now, keeping up with the Dreamcast GD-ROM emulation which lead me to look up about old CRT's for retro gaming. and the types of CRT i keep coming across is the Sony PVR's are these the best monitors to have for retro gaming or is it just because people over in the states have a hard time trying to get a RGB monitors ?
     
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    lwizardl Living The Dream

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    people use the PVM style monitors because they usually have more options of inputs, and quality versus some of the generic CRT displays in the past. This should be a good read for info

    http://retrorgb.com/rgbmonitors.html
     
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    STARGONE Active Member

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    and are there certain models that cant accept a rgb input ?
     
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  5. dans87

    dans87 Site Supporter 2013,14,15

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    i have yet to see a TV that outputs rgb ..
     
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    sorry didn't realize i put output instead of input
     
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    synrgy87 Well Known Member

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    PVMs by design are good, but i'm not sure if they're worth the extra effort to find one and the extra cost. while consumer CRTs are still plentiful and a lot of the time Free. depending on where you live. i got a nice 1994 Sony Trinitron CRT with RGB scart, svideo, composite and rf inputs, etc, free, although it was heavy and a pain to move lol.

    I think in the USA they had CRTs with component input(might have done here too on the higher end models but i've not seen any personally)

    Go with what works for you really some consumer tvs are better than others, some PVMs have been used and abused in studios for years.
     
  8. STARGONE

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    well being from the uk i am able to get one of these pretty cheap, and i am not all that bothered about the price and what it comes to is the size. most crt's i am able to get at the moment are all retangular and wont fit in the space i need it to go into. so i think ill keep an eye out for a pvm close by

    thanks for help guys :)
     
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    la-li-lu-le-lo ラリルレロ

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    I think you'll have a hard time finding a TV/monitor that isn't rectangular...
     
  10. dc16

    dc16 Dauntless Member

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    Just get the silver Trinitron. Component, S-Video. It's heavy but it's worth it. Everybody I know had it when HDTVs started to come out, and their value in gaming is indispensable.
     
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    If you want to go a bit crazy with an RGB setup, you could always grab a CRT TV and match it with a good quality 15k arcade chassis, though not all tubes are compatible (Sony in particular use some interesting custom configs on their tube necks). I swapped out the 68cm Samsung arcade tube in my Astro a few years back with the tube out of a Teac TV (Samsung tube), paired it with a chassis from Jomac after reading the yoke settings, and it tears apart many CRT displays in terms of quality and control. It's something I've thought of doing for my games room, but no space and my current set (a Hitachi) takes component, s-video and composite so I run all my RGB sources through a RGB to component transcoder.

    Mind, you want to be careful with stray voltages when swapping over a chassis - you'll get a nasty surprise if you're not careful, as the tube often contains a significant amount of stored electricity until they've been successfully discharged.
     
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  12. Vosse

    Vosse Well Known Member

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    I only recall having seen Component video on CRTs in the later years of it's life. And a lot of times, it only accepted 480i signals. (I have a Phillips TV from the mid 00's that only accepts 480i over component).
    On these TVs sources like S-video and Composite don't usually look very good compared to TVs that only have Composite and S-video.

    The only CRTs that I can think of that accept 480p,etc are ones that also do 1080i
     
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    Unknown-Organization <B>Site Supporter 2014</B>

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    Well I have Sony PVM 14M4E since 1998, I was given by my uncle who no longer use it for his studio in 1997. I used it since then with S-video until now with RGB scart and Component. I have to say it is worth to get one.

    Sony PVM 14M4E is the best one in my opinion especially outputting 480P along with 800TV line which makes retro console looks fantastic!

    Here the picture- Picture does not belong to me but I have the same model at this.
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    It definitely worth a trouble getting one. Most people here saying they can get PVM easily in low price. Also check this site- useful information http://retrorgb.com/rgbmonitors.html
     
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    It took me about 2 years of looking but i was able to get a Sony PVM(model: 20m2mdu) I am running RGB SCART from my SNES,GEN,SAT,PS2, and i love it. I went from composite to this setup, and the difference is night and day. I think its worth it if you can track one down. Hopefully you can find one thats not to old, and that doesn't have many hours on it. Heres some pictures to show the difference

    S-video on SNES on a normal CRT
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    RGB SCART on SNES on PVM
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    Unknown-Organization <B>Site Supporter 2014</B>

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    To make things a little simple. Once you have a Sony PVM monitor that has S-video input ( which all PVM should have one) You don't really need to have a RGB scart that connect to Component. Because S- video quality picture remarkable close to RGB scart quality picture. This will save more money and less stressful time too.
     
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    Fandangos <B>Site Supporter 2013</B>

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    As I've mentioned before I'm the owner of a PVM-2950Q the biggest model on 4x3 standard and I used to have a Sony Triniton.

    I highly recommend the PVM.

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  17. billcosbymon

    billcosbymon Guru Meditation Error

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    Do you guys know how to properly fix geometry problems on the PVM? I can't seem to get mine right.
     
  18. Unknown-Organization

    Unknown-Organization <B>Site Supporter 2014</B>

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    What model you have? You might have to open your Sony PVM case unit that has few adjustable screw that controls the geometry. This is a dangerous work and should handle properly by the the professional. Unless you have the balls and a long screwdriver with a plastic handle.

    Here the video mention of this ( duration 2:15)




    Also you can adjust Geometry with panel button. (At the front)

    My PVM 14M4E has the menu where it control or reset geometry. By pressing DEGAUSS and ENTER at the same time then hidden menu will display. Now press BLUE ONLY button twice. It will reset everything back to factory setting.

    Again : DEGAUSS and ENTER at the same time then hidden menu will display. This hidden menu will allow you to adjust the geometry without open the PVM case.

    After you change your settings. Press DEGAUSS twice. It will save the setting.

    Note : this does work for my PVM

    Hope this helps.
     
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  19. billcosbymon

    billcosbymon Guru Meditation Error

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    I know how to get into the service menu it's just that I can't seem to get it right.
     
  20. STARGONE

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    @Fandangos As I've mentioned before I'm the owner of a PVM-2950Q the biggest model on 4x3 standard and I used to have a Sony Triniton.

    I highly recommend the PVM.

    How big is it ? and how much does a model like that usually end up costing ?
     
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