Final Fantasy X Beta Battle theme?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xuEb6UDfjj

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nope

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBjuEWC0EQ8

It does sound similar but without the ff 8 sounds but yeah. Sounds more complete to me, if not then what is it?

 

Sounds like something that would have been in FF8 or FF9, it totally does not match any aspect of the music used in FF10.

 

No... you clearly don't know anything about this. The beta of FFX used most of the sounds from FF8 and that theme from the battles which was it's own unique theme not heard anywhere else but had the same type of midi as FF8 (not sure how any of this works), and the one I have here sounds like a more complete version of it without the Final Fantasy 8 sounds. That's what I am talking about. No question, this absolutely did NOT come from FF8 or FF9. It was FFX. As said, it was not used in the final game at all because they made another battle theme.

 

Is there any evidence? Where did this MP3 come from? It could very easily be fake.

 

There's been a lot of talk over the years about whether or not this track is fake--problem is, there's no concrete evidence supporting either side of the debate, given its unclear origins.

It's generally accepted that it was originally passed around on P2P programs like Napster, Kazaa, and LimeWire around the time of FFX's release, usually under the name of "FFX - Battle Theme" or some similar variation. The second link Fluttershy shared is regarded as the original version of this track (here it is again)--there are many others out there, including the first one Fluttershy linked, but as far as I can tell they're all based off a fan-made MIDI file using various soundfonts.

As mentioned, the sound effects heard in the original version of the track come from FF8. Some have argued that Square would have used FF9 sound effects as placeholders, it being the latest Final Fantasy game at the time. This isn't quite true, and I don't know if it really proves or disproves anything, anyway--the development periods of FF8, 9, and 10 (and 11, for that matter) are pretty unclear since they all overlap in some way. 8 and 9 were developed simultaneously, with 9 being treated as a more traditional Final Fantasy title, while 8 offered very different levelling and character building systems. FFX was first previewed around seven months before FF9 was released in Japan--they were both shown at the Square Millennium Event 2000, in January of that year. Footage of FFX at this event can be seen here.

FF9 was released in July of 2000, while FFX came out in July of 2001. The footage of X at Square's event apparently uses music from FF8 as a placeholder (been years since I played it so I can't really confirm, but enough people seem to believe this is the case...) This makes sense, given that, in some ways, FF8 was the latest Final Fantasy title at the time of X's initial development. So, let's assume that the FF8 music heard during the FFX portion of the Millennium Event was actually part of the game, rather than (and this is much more likely, in my opinion) simply being layered into the video afterwards for effect. It's fair to assume, then, that the game would have been using FF8's sound effects too. So, surely this track must be the real thing, right?

Well, here's the problem: even with these assumptions in place, there's nothing definitively tying this track to FFX. The biggest issue is that no verifiable source has ever turned up. The audio quality is too high to have been recorded at a show like the Square Millennium Event--listen with headphones. It's got a full stereo field--an offscreen recording wouldn't be so clear. We can only assume it comes from a direct feed video put out by some gaming site, likely provided by Square themselves--but where is this video now? Obviously, Final Fantasy is an immensely popular series, and many fans have spent countless hours documenting all the prototype materials we have access to--yet somehow, another source for this track has never turned up.

With this lack of evidence, the only obvious answer is that it's fake. Some fan composed a FF-style battle theme, layered over sound effects from FF8, and released it to the masses as a leaked track from FFX. It's not unheard of--there's a fake Half-Life 2 beta soundtrack out there that uses songs from Resident Evil and various fan remixes of actual HL2 tracks. It tricked a lot of people, and you can still find it being passed around as the real thing.

Much as I'd like to, I don't think we'll ever find the actual source for this track--especially if it's an original composition, and not a fan-made remix of a song from some other game/anime/whatever. This thing's been in the wild for 13 or 14 years now, and the original source has probably been lost to time. Maybe it was first released on some long-dead gaming forum--possibly one based in Japan--and from there made its way to the various P2P programs. For the foreseeable future, it'll remain a mystery, and without anything that actually ties it to FFX, I don't think it's safe to call it a "lost track."

I'd imagine the only person who could sort this out would be Nobuo Uematsu--if this track was written for FF8 or X, he'd no doubt remember it.

 

There were a couple of old videos of Final Fantasy X in it's initial announcement beta and it featured both music and sound effects from Final Fantasy VIII. I specifically recall tracks like My Mind, The Legendary Beast were used. Tidus had black hair and they had shown a larger scale test of what was to later become the Calm Lands and Remiem Temple.

Though I don't recall this track being an official dump as a fan did however recreate this particular theme, I think this may be the fan-made MIDI as there are some differences going off the top of my head. They got away with making it as a MIDI due to Final Fantasy VIII having used in-engine sequenced music.

I can't seem to find the footage which featured the actual battle and menu sequence, only the environment demo footage.

 

It could've been a demo track made with other hardware. As the final game uses almost sequenced music entirely that doesn't sound anything like this.

Uematsu has been known to make a ton of tracks that don't make it into the game.

 

It was on a small gaming forum a few years ago and I didn't know what it was until I heard that song now, no idea what context it was posted in or anything. It very likely is fake as I can see no evidence supporting it being real but yeah I dunno lol.

 

Wow, it's interesting to learn that one of my favourite and least favourite FF games actually have something in common. I guess there's no telling, all I can say is that I like this better than any piece of music FFX had to offer.


Edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBjuEWC0EQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quejinbefaU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuEtLr5qE8Q

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1xuEb6UDfjj

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo9jsRF8ZaU

This is a beautiful piece of music, thank you for posting as I would probably never have been introduced to it. FFVIII is probably my favourite FF out of all of them, it was a real treat to get more insight into its development and relation to the rest of the series, and even more so to hear these tracks even if some of them are fan made. I've found what appears to be five versions of this piece of music, including the one posted in the OP. Judge for your self I guess.

It's no surprise FFX turned out to be my most hated game in the series, it abandoned so much of what would have made it great, FFVIII.

 

^ For me X and VIII are my favorites lol, infact i would say FFX:HD broke my ps3 from being played so much lol

As for this song, i heard it was from a fan-made game

 

Listening to these examples more I can see why the battle theme was changed. For some reason for me FFX is a very light hearted game, something I could never quite take too seriously, and I imagine that's something that progressed over the games development, final Fantasy VIII on the other hand was quite dark and serious and that's why I loved it so much. This battle theme gives the impression of dread and peril which is something I never felt for most of X, something which perhaps I should have been. The final battle them is like you're chilling out on a beach playing Blitzball and some monsters randomly show up, like nothing much is happening, and that rubs off on the game as I'm playing. Perhaps if I can put the demo battle theme in the retail game it would actually make more sense and I'd actually enjoy it a lot more, it would give it more of a darker undertone which in all right it probably should have.

 

It was used it a fan made game but they didn't make it, nor was it this version which sounds absolutely nothing like any of the ones I've heard

 

Fan made or not, I guess we'll never know, but it's a real shame I can't find the version I have of mine in any better qualtiy, all I have is a lossy 128 kbps mp3 of it which is quite horrible and I have no idea who made it or where it came from (or whether it is the real one) so there is no way I can get a better version of it; to me it sounds just a little unfished and rough in places but heck I much prefer this to the one that was in FFX in the end. Shame. I am of the opinion the actual theme is real but the origin of the more complete sounding one I have ??? shame there is no google reverse sound search HINT HINT GOOGLE PLEASE MAKE THIS A THING THANK YOU. The one comment I have is that the intro sounds kinda placeholder is the whole song is really kinda... "big"

 

Then i clearly do know what im talking about. I didnt say it WAS from Final Fantasy 8, I said it SOUNDED like something from FF8, and theres the fact that the FF10 beta used FF8 sounds. Im glad they switched it from this song, as like i said, this music totally does not match the feel of the game or music from FF10.

And second of all, its one thing to debate something, but "No, you clearly dont know anything about this" is a dick move, buddy. Been playing video games since the early 80's, and Final Fantasy games since the first one released on NES, not to mention im a musician of 15+ years. You say something about midi and not being sure how any of that works, well guess what, i have been using midi for YEARS. To just say i clearly dont know anything about this makes you look like an ass.

 

You didn't display any knowledge of the topic, so what other assumption could I make? If all you had to say was one line with no real comment, that could be my only reply.

Also what does the fact that you've been playing video games since the 80s got to do about this at all? Seems pretty elitist to me. That fact doesn't put you above anything, nor does it have any relevence to knowledge about "this" being this particular part of Final Fantasy.

P.S I started gaming in the 70s. I win.

 

Guys, cut that crap out. I wasn't going to say something as I thought that both of you would've been mature enough to stick to the topic instead of getting into this but, as it is seemingly continuing, just knock if off. I am going to be flagging one of the mods if this continues.

Seriously, all of the fighting in general over the forums needs to stop and this kind of back and forth isn't particularly helping matters.

Anyway, sticking to the topic - has anyone found out any other general information regarding FFX prototype builds or unused music? As there is also unused and variant music floating around in some of the other retail Final Fantasy titles.

 

Lol I was looking around today seeing if anybody had confirmed whether this was real and then I find somebody had posted my version of this which was literally the first thing I did in FL studio when i was just messing around with Synths here is a WAV of what I ended up with if anybody cares cya
https://soundcloud.com/mike-james-anon/final-fantasy-x-maybe-beta-battle-remake-thingy

Also this version is not real at all so that is busted

 

Made it slightly less crap, if you're gonna download any download this one below, added outro and a better intro and changed one of the synths along with edits to the kick etc it's still dated and not professionally mixed at all but go ahead if u want

https://soundcloud.com/mike-james-anon/ffx-beta-version-battle-theme