Well, from what i've read Forza 4 is fantastic. Some comments on reviews: "is easily the most complete racing experience available today" "Forza 4 is the best racing game of this generation" "Forza Motorsport 4 proves to be the best racing game currently available on the market." "you'll find Forza 4 to be the best console racing title around" "With Forza 4 Turn 10 has crafted a driving game like no other; it's hands-down this generation's premier racing simulator" "Forza Motorsport 4 is the better experience. Better original courses, better online, a less cluttered interface, and less static racing make FM4 the better game." It doesn't have day-to-night transition and weather changes, plus i didn't liked some pictures of the incar 3d models, the bloom effect on the sky and asphalt looks overdone (to me at least), some tracks like nurburgring lacks detail, but overall i can say Forza 4 is fantastic. The final package is well done. Congrats to Turn10. Can't wait to play it this weekend at the Brasil Game Show! I'm even thinking on getting a 360 just for this.
The GT5 Spec II changes were posted today, and they're really disappointing. Some people might care about in-car views for standard cars, but the only thing that personally interests me is saving for endurance races (and maybe replay controls). What the game really needed was a lot of new A-spec races and tracks, this is just putting lipstick on a pig.
I'll wait till it's released and people find out of more changes. I doubt it's just those, as Kazunori said expect some surprises. Plus there's the Racing Car and Track Racing packs. Anyway, I hope for improvements but to be honest they can't fix the whole thing. If they want to compete with Forza on their next try they have to realize all the problems, issues and also the jurassic career mode, the dreary license system and the lackluster customization. They need to focus on what is more important and don't forget to hire more people and outsource some stuff, or they'll take 10 years to make a new game.
Yeah, I misunderstood and thought those were ALL the changes, but there might apparently be more. PD still has an insurmountable problem in that GT5 is almost a year old and most people have stopped playing, me included: the only thing I've got left are three endurance races, which I might do with the save feature and then stop playing. Even if they change a lot of things radically, it won't matter if there's nothing more to do in the game.
7Force, pm me with your PSN id so i can add you to my friends list. I haven't seen anyone from my friends list playing GT5 for a long time. When i play it, i always go for public online rooms for a quick race. I stopped playing GT5 because of Killzone3 MP. So damn addicting. Wish i had more free time to play my games...
Got a chance to use the new 360 Wireless Speed Wheel, the motion controlled wheel controller on Forza 4. Kinda like the Mario Kart wheel on the Wii. For what it is, it works very well. Response is accurate and fast. Great build quality aswell. Has rumble and lights. Unfortunaly, it doesn't have bumpers or paddles for shifting. Obviously no force feedback either. Not really gonna satisfy real racing fans, but seems fun for casual racers.
That Wii style wheel controller is a load of crap IMO. No serious racing gamer would EVER want to use that. I'd rather use a control pad than that. Yakumo
If you want to play this properly over and above a controller which is perfectly fine you then of course you need a wheel and not that speed wheel thing as it just makes it too like the mario kart wheel thing. You can easily get the MS wireless wheel/Thrustmaster Ferrari 458 wheel if you just want a decent wheel but then if your more serious then there is the Fanatec CSR that coming out which is also PC compatible i think and looks pretty sweet. I will probably just use a controller as i don't have an xbox compatible wheel and the game works just fine with the 360 controller so no need for anything else.
I would, but...I doubt I'll be playing GT5 much, and definitely not after Forza 4 comes out, sorry. Remember this? That was an even worse piece of crap for Amiga/Mega Drive/whatever else. I think it was endorsed by Nigel Mansell, but I might have imagined that part.
As for forza 4 being more forgiving control wise, it actually is what adds to it's appeal. What turns a lot of people off to the gt series is how difficult it's learning curve is. With forza it eases you in. If you want play with arcade style handling you can, or if you want play realistic as possible including clutch you can, and the thing is the more realistic you play the more money you make. And plus with this ease in approach I ended up playing better while in gt I seemed to take a lot longer trying to figure out how to master the gameplay. With forza 3 it just seems like they got a lot of things right. With gran turismo they suffered the nintendo and sony syndrome, which is they felt they had no competition so they dropped the ball and I would imagine forza 3 scared them a bit. It was a joke when they implanted damage similar to forza 3's only for it to be a very mediocre addition unlike forza where damage would literally effect your cars performance up to the point where the car would get to the cease to function point. In fact when they made forza 3 the developers actually went with the goal what can we do that gt doesn't and quite frankly the execution was fantastic.
My biggest issue with the Forza series was not having the possibility of turning assists off. From what i played from Forza 4, i feel they fixed this. By the way, both Forza and GT could have driving physics / assists options, to help both arcade and simulation fans. I agree. Also it's amazing how PD still didn't managed to get stuff like livery editor, car auctions and so on. Every new Forza game there's something new or that was added on the previous GT, but somehow GT doesn't learn anything from Forza. GT5 has a lot of new features, that feel rushed / incomplete. Course editor, kart racing, race modification (one of the coolest features from the first 2 games, but in GT5 is only available to 18 cars...), Top Gear, Nascar, WRC,... The only thing that saves GT5 are day-to-night transition (simply fantastic on Nurburgring and Le Mans), weather, seasonal events, and of course the fantastic driving physics. It's on the track, where it shines, but it's a shame it's so regular almost everywhere else.
Huh? They always had the ability to turn off any assist. Although one of the things that disappointed me about Forza 3 was how they tried to make it more "accessible", as if it was really that hard to drive Forza or GT after a little practice. They did take some little things from Forza like performance points and the level system (which was implemented horrible because of how many points in takes to level up at later levels), but it's unbelievable how there was nothing to rival Forza's great livery editor and auction house system. I can't agree with the weather part, since GT5's weather effects are pretty lackluster, especially after seeing the ones in F1 2010 which are miles ahead of GT5's. The day-to-night transition I will agree with, though...I guess that means there won't be a 24 hours of Le Mans in Forza 4, at least not with actual day-to-night transitions. I'm hoping that since Turn 10 has a deal with American Le Mans, they at least put the 12 hours of Sebring and Petit Le Mans in, preferably with mid-race saves.
Lol I forgot about the point system in Gt5, I remember playing gt5 and asking "wait minute forza 3 already has this?" But yea it is a pain in the ass to get to later events in the game. If this gt5 update improves loading considerably I might pop it back in again, otherwise my copy of forza 4 is coming in the mail today.
Even with everything turned off, i always felt there was some kind of assist helping. I'm not the only one who thinks that. While i do agree when you say F1 2010, i still think it's great on GT5. Racing on the Nurburgring Nordschleife at night with rain is super scary and difficult. Anyway, GT5 Spec II is 1.1GB download. Probably will have to wait till the weekend to download this. The DLC... well, the track pack has Spa and a Kart track. It's worth because of Spa. But where the f*ck are the classic old tracks? The racing car pack? 15 cars, 3 being variations of Karts (nobody asked for this) and the new X2011. The rest is basicly Race Modified versions of existing cars. That's right, not a SINGLE new car, not even the Honda HSV SuperGT. And guess what, only one is american. The rest is japanese, and of course, 4 of them are Skylines. And to get even worse, they bothered to make a RM version of a Prius. My god, Kazunori totally lost his mind... DLC info and pictures: http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gt5/dlc/
I downloaded Spec 2.0 and it's way too little, way too late just like I suspected. I wonder if they could've somehow made a completely new interface? The current one is just a mess no matter what the update notice says about an improved interface. There are no new A-spec races at all, and they also restored all the payouts from the seasonals to normal (because what you wanted was more grinding, right?). At least endurance race seems to work. Honestly, some of the things they decided to add are just baffling. 11 new NASCAR cars? Who the hell cares? NASCAR sucks, and in-game those cars run exactly the same anyway.
No matter how long they try to fix it, it's broken from the start. All they can do is improve the experience as it is. At least they fixed / added features people requested. I'll give it a try specially because now i'll be able to do endurance races. PS: The seasonals reduced payouts is just another stupidity added in updates, like rolling starts, car value limit on trades / gifts, .... Still, i don't understand Kazunori. He gives so much credit for Nascar, and it's very bad implemented in the game. He got the WRC license, but somehow the game doesn't use on it's favour - Rally in GT3 and GT4 is better and have more tracks. The SuperGT License, still missing lots of GT300 cars and the HSV from GT500. I remember he said the HSV would possibly miss the game launch date. It did, and a year later it's still not in the game. Won't even comment on the DTM license that he simply doesn't use. And what about the classic tracks? Funnily enough, there's always time and people working on Skylines. The GT series is transforming the Skyline GT-R in such a lame and hated car.
I don't like Skyline myself. Still funny to read about GT5 and the bollocks they keep adding to "Make it better". Nascar? Oh yeah, great fun ! (not). A Toyota Prius> NICE!! I always thought of them to be a great addition on the track. What a load of crap. Yakumo
