Framemeister - Settings for common consoles?

Hey Everyone,

So like many people on the forums, I made the plunge recently and ordered a Framemeister. Given how configurable it is, has anyone worked out the best settings to use for the various consoles? I'm sure some are a little more picky than others to get a proper picture?

 

Some recommended settings here - http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-mini_FRAMEMEISTER

 

Does anyone know what the point of the game modes and Mister mode is? I hear that the weave/bob de-interlace setting doesn't actually give you any kind of lag reduction at all. I would assume the image would just look worse since it would shake all the time at the vertical edges?

 

I just know that Meister mode was what was used before scanlines were introduced as a separate function.

 

Meister Mode is actually the mode you should be using for gaming. It has the scan lines on as default but they can be changed to what ever setting you like from strong to light to off. It's your choice. Basically Miester mode is the fastest cleanest mode for gaming. I've always used it. Other modes just alter the colour mostly such as anime and movie mode. Think of them as quick pre-set modes like an audio DSP on some stereos and computer audio players.

 

In that link it says that you can only use scanlines in 720p, and not in 1080p. Is that true? Have they changed this with newer updates? Seems like a pointless limitation.

 

You can use 1080p scanlines in Meister Mode but they still look like shit. To be 100% honest though running any SD console in 720p compared 1080p look the same to me.

 

Why do you think that's the case? You would think that with a higher resolution, the image would look better. I agree that the difference for older consoles probably isn't huge, but since it's a scaler, shouldn't it scale the image to the native resolution of your display? That way your TV doesn't have to do any processing.

 

Yeah, scanlines in 1080p are still bugged to my knowledge - instead of making every two out of four lines dark, it only does one out of four. Seems like a fix would be really easy...come on Micomsoft!

From the XRGB Mini wiki (http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-mini_FRAMEMEISTER):

[TABLE="class: wikitable"]
[TR]
[TH]Mode[/TH]
[TH]De-Interlacing[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Low-Pass Filter[/TH]
[TH="align: center"]Scanlines[/TH]
[TH]Notes[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]STANDARD[/TD]
[TD]Motion/Pixel Adaptive[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD]Use NATURAL unless the source is extremely noisy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GAME1[/TD]
[TD]Linear/Bob[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD]Causes vertical trembling and doesn't reduce input lag[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GAME2[/TD]
[TD]Linear/Bob[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MEISTER[/TD]
[TD]Linear/Bob[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Yes[/TD]
[TD]Obsolete as scanlines can now be enabled in any mode[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ANIME[/TD]
[TD]Motion/Pixel Adaptive[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD]Boosts saturation and contrast[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MOVIE[/TD]
[TD]Motion/Pixel Adaptive[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD]Minor colour differences[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NATURAL[/TD]
[TD]Motion/Pixel Adaptive[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD]Suitable for general interlaced sources[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PICTURE[/TD]
[TD]2:2 Pulldown[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No[/TD]
[TD]Suitable for general progressive sources and static images[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

Hmm, I'm not sure why 1080p scan lines look like crap. When you use them in 1080p mode the lines look as if they have ghosting to them and not evenly spaced which results in a pretty crappy looking image. I can post some pictures captured directly from the Framemeister to show the effect if you'd like to see.

 

I would be interested in seeing this. I would also be interested in seeing how S-video compares to RGB on the Framemeister or component as I'm not sure if anyone covered such a comparison before.

 

1080p scanlines probably looks bad since it's not an integer multiple of 240 like 720 is. Most likely they just darken every 3rd line. That uniformity isn't possible at 1080p unless 240 lines were scaled to 960 lines within a 1080p frame.

 

Just got my package in, and I have a few questions! I understand Meister mode has scanlines on by default, but where are the manual controls for this located in the menus? Ie, for strength of scanline, or if you want to disable them or not?

In addition, I found that the safety button on the remote doesn't seem to work. After accidentally changing the resolution to something my display didn't support, I had to navigate the menus "blind" to reset it back to factory settings. Maybe I am misunderstanding the functionality of the button?

Come to think of it, there isn't an English version of the manual is there? Anyway, thanks again for all your help. The XRGB-mini does not disappoint!

 

Dont think there is an English manual, but this is a must have:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/XRGB-Mini-Framemeister-English-Remote-Translation-Overlay-/231052088477

 

The scan line options are in the "Visual mode" options or something like that. I'm not at home at the moment so I can't double check for you but maybe someone else could?

 

Perhaps, but if you have a 1080p display and the output is 720p, the image still needs to be scaled by the TV's internal scaler. So wouldn't the effect be the same or worse?

 

It'd be better. 240 -> 720 then 720 -> 1080 will probably have worse overall picture than 240 -> 1080 directly (depends on the TV's scaler), but better scanlines.

This is because 240 -> 720 has uniform spacing between the scanlines due to the integer ratio. 720 scaled 1.5x by the TV to 1080 lines (should) still have uniform spacing, but the picture will obviously be blurrier than on a native 720 display due to the interpolation.

240 -> 1080 directly can't have uniform pixel or scanline spacing since the ratio is 4.5x (so 1 of 5 lines must be blended with the previous or next line), there's no way for the scanlines to be distributed evenly since the lines themselves aren't distributed evenly. At best you could darken two of the 4 uniform lines and ignore the blended lines--not sure how that'd look. If the Framemeister had an option to scale to 960 lines (in a 1080 frame) that'd work as well as 720, but the video wouldn't be full screen.

 

Couldn't the Framemeister simply just upscale the picture to 1080p and then just start darkening every other line until it runs out of lines?

 

Sure, if you want to simulate a 540p image.

 

How do you turn on the hdmi passthrough mode? I assumed it has the HDMI_1_DIRECT or HDMI_2_DIRECT under the HDMI_SET menu but when I plugged in my nanoconsole it was blurry as hell compared to when I plugged it straight into my monitor.