"grey area piracy" and the hypocrisy (was report t

Don't tell off other board members, you support a special agenda, others STILL might not agree with you. Some people here truely are offended by p2p sharing and other things that "deserve the slap on the wrist." Those people here want nothing to do with the "movement" and fully support Nintendo and other such organizations in their fight against piracy. Propogating the "movement" belongs in another thread. If you think its too harsh to report this guy or that it wasn't going to solve anything, you should have just said so, you've been arguing since the very beginning instead of calling me a hypocrite. Even now, you've only made your opinion clear (to me atleast.)

 

Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it. People need to be responsible for whatever they do, and if it's illegal, they should be prepared to pay the consequences. How brain dead would someone selling illegal games have to be in order for them to not know what they were doing? And in this case, the guy is obviously aware of what he's up to, judging by some of the blatant lies and twists of copyright law on his site.

Seeing that you seem to lack much knowledge about copyright law, I'm providing a link to the relevant section of United States Copyright Act. I really can't find a single part that even comes close to letting this seller off the hook...
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000117----000-.html

Either way, you really have no business getting after any of us for choosing to turn in this joker - we're on the right, NOT you. I'm not sure why you jumped in so vehemently in this discussion. You mentioned something about having to deal with copyright issues at your business in the telecommunications industry or whatever, so I'd think you of all people would recognize the importance of not having your intellectual property modified and sold by someone else, unless of course your company is a little bit, shall we say, on the shady side of things. Again, I'm drawn back to my gut feeling that the reason you so oppose one of us turning in this loser is that you possibly travel in circles similar to him. I'm not sure what all this talk of us sticking together is or whatever, but I'm sure as hell not going to keep quiet so some chump can go on making money from what's not his. As I said before, I'm sure a lot of us have dabbled in some form of illegal software before, but there is a HUGE world of difference between downloading a ROM or MP3 and actually taking it upon yourself to resell your ill-gotten gains, hence our collective eagerness to rightfully seperate ourselves from this sort of thing by bringing it to the attention of the proper authorities.

Correction: Propogating the 'movement' belongs on another BOARD, and if our friend keeps it up much longer, the 'movement' on ASSEMbler could possibly be brought to a grinding, thread-locking halt. :smt043

 

All he's yapping about is nothing but to "fight the power" and "stick it to the man", just so guys like that guy can still make money off of someone elses game that was released in Japan BUT not in the USA.

GSL is right about that if you break a law unknowingly you will still be treated by the law.

IMO, I would love to see this guy get shut down just like Square-Enix did to that dumbass who recreated ChronoTrigger and if I remember correctly, he intended to make money off the game by selling it to Square :smt043 . Its like I'll steal your bike, re-paint it, then sell it back to you. Then of course you're going to get the jibberish that the fans of this type of thing start spewing out saying things like "NiNT3nD0 15 T3H 3V1L666 :smt022" and that they don't like their fans, etc, which is all BS. Nintendo and Square has every right to fight for their property. The laws allow it.

Besides, the majority of the people who are getting sued by the RIAA, etc are the ones who share the music, etc. Not the lil white child living in a middle-class/upper-class neighborhood who thinks FF7/FF2(US)/FF3(US) is T3H. BE5T. G4M3. EVAR!!!1111

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That guy shouldn't quit his dayjob, but I guess he'll be fired after they find out Nintendo is on his ass. Assembler knows what I'm talking about ;-).

 

Well, it was a bit of a pity about that Chrono Resurrection project, as it was a neat idea, but I didn't realize he was going to try and sell it back to Square. Bad form, there. Fan projects like that are grey area enough, but that crosses the border to utter cheekiness, and I suppose they got the smiting they deserveth. :smt043

 

momosgarage i don't know what your problem is, but what that guy is doing is just plain illigal, he;s making money of the backs of others and deserves to be taken down big time.

Sure we have all had our fair share of illigal stuff but not selling them online on a big scale like this guy or the A-holes that sell copies of HL for the dreamcast online to make a bundle.

What he is doing is just plain illigal and by the way you talk i'd almost say that your in the same buisness or even that you are somehow linked to that site.

 

I think the Chrono Trigger thing falls into a different category than this. In that case the programmer actually put some effort into technical side of things. It wasn't a total rip and sell. Selling it to Square wasn't all that bad an idea either. Afterall look at Counterstrike. It started out as a mod and was picked up by Valve. Now if he started selling it without Squares permission that would be different.

 

Credentials.

I'll tell you one thing, "an avid NES collector and gamer since 1999" sure impresses the hell out of me. rayer:
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~Krelian

 

Re: Credentials.

Sure reflects the DP crowd.

 

I'm in the buisness and I know the law. I don't support this guy or his actions. Hopefully the heat won't come down on any of you within the next 5-10 years. The laws are just as harsh for this guy and rom swapers. Just rmember I told you so.

 

There are some current laws on the books that can be abused because they are vague. Everyone here would be shocked at what things in thier homes constitute copyright violations. Some of them were LEGAL when they were purchased, but they are currently not. Do you want to have to hirer a lawyer every year to go through your assets and tell you something is not legal anymore. I am saying all this stuff because it happens to regular people who bought stuff legally. Big companies have rewritten the laws under everyones noses. But if you don't exeperince it first hand, it just sounds far fetched. I am not supporting this guy, but the same laws that prosecute him can and currently do prosecute innocent people (who were not up to date on technology law 2004, but knew the law from 1999). THATS MY POINT

 

All you need in life is a good lawyer. I'm glad I have but most of the guys like him and people who actively do this pretty much don't.

 

I must not be articulating my point. This issue is not black and white, there is no right and wrong here. I will give a simple example involving ham radio and scanners. There are hundreds of models of ham radios and scanners that became illegal in 2003. Some of the more sophistocated models can be hooked up to a computer. Under new laws (which were not made public) some of these devices and the software used with them is highly illegal and comes under the jurisdiction of the department of homaland security. These devices were legal less than a year ago and some were bought in the 1980's. The fines are very high as is the jail time one can serve. Guess who own most of this stuff (excluding companies) old retired men. Who going to tell them thier stuff is now illegal, not including the amount of money they spent on the stuff. How are they going to find out? I sure don't know. I give up, I must be explaining my position poorly or you guys don't understand what I am taliking about.

I don't not support piracy or the guy we are arguing about.

The laws that fight piracy have a lot of other crap in them that don't fight piracy, but can prosecute and old man. If the laws were distinct and did not have "riders" in them there would be no problems here about right and wrong. The copyright laws have more in them than the protection of copyright. Give the ACLU call they may answer some questions that I cannot answere here.

 

Re: Credentials.

:smt022

 

momo, ham radio operators need a license. They are registered. Therefore, the licensing authority send them information on such things as bands that are being made illegal. They have a duty to ensure their equipment is always legal, and its only a minority of old transmitters.

What exactly are you doing here? Don't get me wrong, everyone is more than welcome. However, this is a forum about collecting dev machines, and writing software, in the main. Owning a dev machine is illegal, it breaks the TOS. So, everyone here KNOWS they are breaking the terms of whoever, they have no legal right to own this stuff. Mind you, the companies are less worried about dev hardware than ROMs.

You came in with a question about emulation, and now you turn and have a go at US for breaking the law! Don't you think you're being rather hypocritical?

If you thought this was an emulation site, you've got the wrong place. The majority of users here are collectors, and despise ROM collectors. The very existence of ROMs, whilst a "backup" may preserve something rare, damages the value of our legitimate collections. The few people here that do have ROMs know what they are doing is illegal and they can get caught for it, same with MP3s or pirate software or whatever. We don't need some holier than thou type coming on our board and preaching at us. You will find NOTHING illegal here, so go look elsewhere for people to moan at. That guy IS breaking the law by owning and selling copyrighted ROMs, and by faking the Nintendo seal and other copyright logos. He deserves what he gets.

 

I am not looking for a emulation site. I know what this site is about. I do not support piracy.

I saw this post and thought I would share some insight that I had into the subject. In my line of work 1 out of every 5 reports of violations are incorrect. The reason they are reported is because of an ignorant person doing the complaining. But, by then its too late beacuse the customer has to spend money, the vendors spend money and then my company spends money. In the end we find out if the tipster had just minded thier own buisness peliminary investigations would not happen. And the part that makes me most angry is the that the tipster can stay ananomous. They don't have to pay a red cent for thier expensive worthless tip. They should have to take on some of the costs of enforcement when they make a mistake. In this instance you guys are most likely right, but the damage has been done becuase someone with less knowledge will turn somebody innocent in. From that point everbody opens their pocketbooks except the tipster. This is why I support copyright protection and not wistle blowing.

 

I just read his posts on DP. Hes not just some kid; Hes an adult and apariently a well paid "C/C++ compiler software" writer. I'm sure he can pay for that slap on the wrist. I can't believe someone in "the industry" could do something so stupid.

 

I'm confused, this is obviously a go nowhere type topic, or rather maybe it's confusing what the arguing is still going on about. :smt043 :smt014

 

I dont know why people would BUY this crap, since you can download it and play it on your computer, anyway. I would like to play my japanese patched snes roms on my gba but thats a LONG time in the future. Its started, but its going oh so slow.

Anyways, selling ROMs, or whatever, if you can download something for free, its 99.9% Illlegal to sell it my opinion. The other .1% is probably stuff i dont know about.

BTW what the hell is this? I thought memory card until i saw "backup ram cartridge.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8137312240&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

 

What do you think memory cards are? They generally are RAM, powered by a battery so they don't loose their data once power is cycled. A "good" memory card will not need a battery of course though, those use FlashRAM.

 

I wasnt sure what ram was exactly. I thought it was dragon force on a blank cart or something.
XD my mistake.