How long until the PlayStation Vita is hacked?

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How long until the PSV is hacked?

  1. 24 hours

    9.1%
  2. 48 hours

    4.5%
  3. 72 hours

    9.1%
  4. > 1 month...

    77.3%
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  1. H360

    H360 Familiar Face

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    How long do you think until there is some sort of software based hack for the system?

    Knowing it is 'SD' based, it wont take them long...
     
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    Being "sd card based" doesn't mean anything.

    Show me any Xbox 360 software only hacks....? The xbox 360 lets you have files accessible via USB or burned to a disk - still no exploit.

    The media used by the device doesn't make it less secure or more likely for a software exploit.
     
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  3. H360

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    So you're saying that a CD-ROM analog based system is easier than digital?
     
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    Probably over 3 months...
    I hope just a couple of days, but knowing Sony and based on how long it took for the PS3 to get hacked (and assuming that Sony learned the lesson), it's highly unlikely it'll take such short time.
     
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    CD-ROM based system is digital, just FYI.

    You just seem to throw words together and hope it makes you sound smart.
     
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    4 months.
     
  7. l_oliveira

    l_oliveira Officer at Arms

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    If SONY learned anything from what have been happening since 2009, it will not be hacked... :shrug:
     
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    They are in a league of stupidity all their own , I'm sure they won't learn. they will just server up some tasty law suits.
     
  9. damox

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    Where is the option 'It has already been done'?
     
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    CodeAsm ohci_write: Bad offset 30

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    Ill give it a year...
    Also, the games run on custom hardware, no sd. and 1 core looks to be for OS... when 3 other core try to do things that isnt allowed... kickback. :p

    And... there is no sd card... not directly, I see statements of "similar size", but no any words of compatibility.
    Looks like a very closed device to me, but maybe some exploit, 3g ddos and/or bleutooth stackbug be there... XD
    http://playstationvita3gwifi.com/ps-vita-memory-cards-1/44 a source, just like wiki, very trust wordy.
     
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    I hope it takes awhile to be hacked or else the game developers will just move on to a more closed device . Im not that gone on Sony but they do make fine portables:thumbsup:
     
  12. H360

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    A CD-ROM is not digital. The CD is an analog source. The MCU's and IC's etc convert it into digital.

    Please don't tell me that I am trying to sound smart to impress people. That really pisses me off mate.
     
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    Well buddy the CD-ROM is digital, because the information encoded in it is treated as "on/off" or "all/nothing". You're right that the mechanism, laser beam and focus/motors/actuators used along with the circuitry used to control them is analogical but the data that goes out of it is digital.

    Even with the LASERDISC, it's digital. But the video data is actually S-Video or "Composhite" encoded/digitized in a stream. :shrug:
     
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    Best thing I've read since vinyl records were declared "warm".
     
  16. Calpis

    Calpis Champion of the Forum

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    I think this is stretching it, pits and lands is a binary system but just because it's effectively PWM doesn't make it digital. With LaserDisc I'm pretty sure the PWM gets integrated then directly demodulated in the analog domain back to the constituent signals.

    CD have the exact same PWM, but the signal is decidedly quantized/"digital" as an asynchronous serial bit stream which can be clock-recovered and demodulated using EFM. The quantized bitstream is digitally carried, but it doesn't necessarily represent it's message data until it is synched with and successfully EFM decoded to hopefully the original ideal representation of more quantized message information.

    I'm pretty sure Haunted knows CD store digital information. What he probably means by analog is that the CD medium is not meant to be put into an electrical circuit to represent digital gates (which aren't necessarily electrical) like a SD card is. If you choose to look at a SD card at the physical/transistor level however, it's an analog device. Every information transport in existence has a physical analog level, but things like CD do not have a transistor or gate level so they are an analog-only medium storing an analog representation of encoded digital information. To me this is analogous to piece of paper with zeroes and ones written on it which I'd be hesitant to call digital. Another way to look at it is that if CD-ROM are digital, what are blank CD-R?
     
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  17. H360

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    That is what I exactly meant.

    I know CD's have 'pits' or 'bumps' on them. These are basically 1's and 0's but they will not be anything until they are put through an MCU of some sort.
     
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    But that makes even less sense. No exploit is going to care about any of that.

    If anything, a system that has your CDROM drive is more suscepable to attack than "purely digital" as there are more links in the chain... with sd, you have digital directly from the storage source, with the CDROM you could be injecting data at more points or editing firmware of the CDROM unit itself.

    However, none of that is a "software exploit" like you original post was talking about and again all counter to the point you are trying to make.

    Data will likely be signed, so the media its on doesn't really matter. You are looking for a exploit in the software running on the console, not the storage medium. Which was the entire point in response to you "it's sd based, so it won't take long to hack" implying that it's easier because it's using an sd card.

    As I said, Xbox allowed files from all types of media, ps3 had the same. Xbox has had 1 software exploit, ps3 had none until it was found their signing was done wrong.


    Point still stands that you are not making any sense and your reasoning for believing its going to be hacked easier is flawed.
     
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  19. H360

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    I dont remember saying anything about the ps3 or xbox 360, or that an sd card would be easier to hack than a cd-rom.

    Sounds like you are trying to throw words together to sound smart yourself ;-)



    Look at it this way...
    Why didn't the hackers emulate the PSP UMD drive.
    Maybe because it had an SD card slot?
    Maybe this would be easier to crack??
     
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    First of all, you said software based hack - nothing to do with emulating hardware. Emulating a device to play pirate games isn't hacking the device (which is hat your first post said)

    Decide what you actually mean, then post. Rather than getting it wrong, then changing your story once called out.
     
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