We try our hardest here to not ban people, and to get them to resolve issues honorably. We have done this many times and harsh banning just creates enemies. Also, with the ability to just change an ip address, banning is pointess. It's better to educate and reconcile. I would suggest that op take this as a lesson that eyes are watching, and one must try to be as moral as possible. I myself learned this lesson and aspire to have the highest standards in my sales, to the point I don't sell some things I am uncertain of (authenticity). As a community and group, collectors have hard won knowledge on what is legitimate to sell and what isn't. That has developed over time, and people should ask questions if an item seems dubious or unclear. Instead of attacking or banning OP, they should educate him. He is here seeing if what he did was wrong or right, and should not be attacked but educated and enlightened. You need to be careful with what you sell; I sold a few hundred GDR blanks a few years ago, and the buyer sold copies of betas he made with his dev system on ebay. I still have hundreds of blanks and I don't know what to do with them because people will just make betas and trick people on ebay. That said, people will remember forever and if you get branded as a bad seller you'll never escape that. We are watching.
The thing is that he did not mention the game was released in his sales post, he sold the game, and then his response to the situation when we where deciding what to do was "shit happens". I'm a mod on Obscuregamers and I can tell you everyone was very on the fence until that comment. We figured if he didn't care or feel bad about what he did he would do it again. I can see this is a whole clusterfuck situation now and that's not what I wanted at least. We where just looking out for the site and its members. What james2454 did was wrong and immoral and we decided on a ban. It wasn't an immediate decision either; it took us a couple days to decide and it was a long lengthy discussion. I was afraid something like this would happen after the ban but we stand by our decision.
Thing is, the sale was on ebay - it was nothing to do with the site? it wasnt against the site rules at that time and the sale wasnt done on the site anyway? Banning someone because a staff member bought something on ebay seems vindictive and an overreach imo. Sure, maybe the guy was being a dick about it, but he kinda was on the high ground - he didnt break any of the site rules (or even do the deal on the site, so the rules dont even apply!). If you are just going to ban people for being disrespectful - well thats just insane really, in life people wont always treat you with respect and you have to deal with it like an adult. Banning people for things done on other sites or in real life seems nuts to me and a bit of a power trip. Just my 2 cents
I respect your opinion but the ban was because he ripped off a site member. If this had happened to a normal member it most likely would have had the same outcome (assuming the member could prove they where ripped off).
The fact that he didn't let the buyer know he dumped the game already means he most definitely ripped him off. Because he could have downloaded the game for free.
It depends on if you think the original game disc has value or not. If OG are that lax in making rules and then write rules on the fly & ban someone on how they react to being punished for something that wasn't against the rules then their moderators ought to really step down. It sounds like a prison game of were's the soap where the punishment for complaining about being raped, is to be raped. Selling something you've given to others without saying it's been given to others is bad form. He should have offered to refund.
I'm not even going to waste my time replying to all the posts here, but our site rules clearly state they can be edited any time without warning. Dudeson149/James2452 was going to be allowed to remain on site until he was rude about it and replied "Shit Happens" we don't want rude people, and we do not want people who will do scummy things like sell an item without warning the buyer. He also neglected to mention that in his post here. We only found out it was 100% him this week and we couldn't check at the time seeing as this very site was offline and the information wasn't posted anywhere else. Least, at that time. If you're going to act dickish about something like this don't bother. Our staff spent 3 days talking this over, all were leaning to let Dudeson/James remain on site until he made the "Shit Happens" comment. Clearly he didn't care and was only after the money. As upset I am with Kevin/Assembler with how things went down in the past here, I agree 100% with his post. to this day people are still selling those fake GD-R's on ebay, Last year someone sold around 10 fake Sonic Adventure 2: The Trial disks on GD-R and many of you got ripped off here buying them. It lowers the value and rarity of prototypes and makes it harder to value things. Many people got ripped off by the SA2:TT disks and even more got ripped off with the fake Shenmue 0.400 builds some paying hundreds for these "copy's" the only thing being off value is the GD-R itself. I'm sure Keving/Assembler will agree with this, As people who preserve we want people we can trust, and those that are respectful if you can't manage simple politeness then this scene isn't for you. People that do scummy things need to be removed and that's what we decided here. Re banning making enemies, it happens all the time and changing ip is pointless these days. There's ways to find people who change IP/Computer still it's nearly impossible to 100% hide online now. For now I'm just going to stay out of this, I was in a bad mood yesterday as this crap put a downer on a good day.
While it's your site and having rules that can be changed at a moments notice is fine... Having them apply retroactively is madness, you may as well write "the rules are what ever we feel like at the time" and undermines the whole point of having rules in the first place.
Or maybe he was tired of how he was being treated? It sounds like six of one and half a dozen of the other. You won because you were in your ivory tower exerting your control. Congratulations. It sounds like your biggest problem is the people who were fighting for three days to get him banned.
sell it before share / share before sell it . also is not good option if you plan sell it, after that ,share it make own credit is no good if you plan share it , after that ,sell it make own money no good
So someone was banned because a buyer failed to do a fairly basic search to see if the preview (or a similar preview) was released? That's what I'm hearing anyways. It's a little crappy to not mention it's been released in an auction, but come on, why is the buyer not at all responsible for vetting the buy? Especially since it looks like they easily could have.
I did offer to pay him back, i still will if he wants me to. I would do anything for anyone ,last thing i would do is rip people off or steal. Only blackheart understood what happened and that reply was to his comment that demon keeps bring up "shit happens".
Why do none of you read? we didn't fully ban him until HE made dickish comments within the thread asking for information on why he did it, He simply replied shit happens if you're going to be a dick we don't want you on our site simple as. not once was a staff member rude to him, he had a chance, he blew it, simple. We / the buyer could not check as this site/AssemblerGames was down 4+ fucking months and the only place it was released was here. So how the fuck is the buyer meant to check? Are they meant to pull a magic cache out of their ass and go oh yeah it was on AG the site that's offline and has no cache/archive! Dudeson149/James2452 waited until this site was offline before selling. There was no way to "CHECK" if it was released and none of you clearly understand the situation. We asked him to provide information, He said he released it here which we clearly know now seeing as this site is online.. Not once did he try to fix the issue before being an ass, only after which was too late. https://imgone.co/images/2017/07/10/cAxkt.png < Screenshot of the thread with his response highlighted. You can see we were not rude, we gave him a chance. He was the one to be an ass about it and come here crying. It's funny people that get banned always neglect to say the full story trying to make us/OG's staff look bad. For those to lazy to click that full image here's a smaller version showing he proved he didn't care. Yeah he offered to repay the disk AFTER he made the above comment. By that point we were leaning towards a ban and 5 hours later all staff voted minus 1.The 3 day discussion was on what to do until he made this comment. TLDR; 1, we wasn't rude once. 2, he swore first. 3, he got banned for showing lack of care. 4, As he said, shit happens. 5, I'm done explaining this childish drama over someone who fucked up and was an ass about it.
That "shit happens" reads to me as him accepting his fate (being banned, etc), not that shit happens in regards to the buyer.
Also the buyer should've simply asked via eBay messaging if it was previously released / dumped or not if they were worried about it.
Oh I read. Why don't you? Did you miss the "I released it to Beta Archive" part? I mentioned nothing about Assembler. I fully understand that Beta Archive was up for the entire duration that Assemblergames was down. He could have checked there. I meant no slight to you or OG, but you're certainly taking any criticism as such. I was just pointing out that the buyer COULD have feasibly checked around and found out that it was released.
