Is gaming culture going to shit?

born in le wrong generation xD

kids nowadays are just on there phones constantly! *goes back to reading newspaper and ignoring everybody*

 

Just this week, I do feel like it's gone to sh-. Look at how the internet reacted to Anita Sarkeesian's videos that proved that despite a huge chunk of the gaming population are female, most if not all of the AAA big budget games are misogynist just to convey any sense of grittiness or depth. Oh what about the bomb threat by the hackers? And Phil Fish's harassment (sure he's a jerk, but jeez). And what about Tim Schafer?

If there is a silent majority, they don't seem to be working hard enough to stamp out that whiny minority.

 

And now you're complaining about the fact that he's complaining about other people complaining. Oh shit, now I'm doing it too...

 

To be fair I did realize later that part was stupid. More correct would be "you come to a thread full of complaining and complain about it without having a point." I wonder if he'd stay quiet if I pirated his games then let him know, or even worse sell them like they were mine (if it was possible).

 

Just what the hell are you even talking about? People selling betas? I never said anything about that (and good luck getting a hold of a beta for one of my commercial games...). My comment was regarding your rant over the terminology, which had nothing to do with the original topic of vloggers.

 

I thought you were trying to discredit me because you thought I was whining too much, or because you thought Youtubers being thieves didn't matter. The rant is still on topic since those channels are still part of gaming culture and members of Youtube's shitty gaming side. Never said one word on the sale of prototypes.

 

Then I guess I missed what you were talking about with "piracy".

 

It says bee and there's a picture of a bee on it

 

Have you seen her videos? She takes so much out of context, not to mention most women dont care. She is one of the small group of anti-sex feminist, but they have an easy case to argue. Even in her own paper(apart from one big quote fest), she states that strong women basicly want to men. And don't give any solution to the "problem". Not to mention most, if not all, of here claims can as easily fit to men as well.

I know nothing about bomb treats. But Phil Fish is a huge self entitiled ass, thinking he is videogame Jesus. So harrasment is natural. It might have gone overboard, but he seems to like the negative attention.
And from what I know from Tim schafer is that he has the same issues to a lesser extend as Phil.

 

http://nastythingssaidabout.wordpress.com/2014/08/26/the-terrible-misogyny-in-the-games-industry/

It's a bit long, but give it an honest read. It discusses part of the reason why gaming culture has gone to shit, specifically online harassment and the fear of speaking out against it.

 

People always seem to say this, yet no one seems willing to actually back it up with proper analysis. I find she has a habit of sometimes oversimplifying things, but that can be put down to her audience being broader than just people who play video games.

Not sure what this has to do with anything.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI#t=2m34s

 

except that it isn't that hard to find pieces analyzing her so called "informative videos". There isn't much need for writing big pieces why she is wrong, because that information is easily available.

Being an advocate you would need a majority of the people you represent approving of you, otherwise you are pushing your own agenda (or represent a smaller group withing the group you claim) rather than representing women.

 

Is not that gaming culture is going to shit, it's that is finally starting to reflect the very real change of it's identity torugh the years. Some people are having a tough time accepting change and are screaming into the void, hoping to prevent a change that has already happened.

Here's a nice editorial about this: "The End of Gatekeeping: The Extinction Burst of Gaming Culture"

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2014/08/the-extinction-burst-of-gaming-culture/

 

No, the problem is that both sides are so self-absorbed and righteous, that no discussion can take place. Both sides have some valid points and both sides are wrong at the same time. If you don't agree with their point, they use hollow arguments and disregard everything said as [insert side-specific ignorant lumping name/insult here]. You can completely agree with what is being said, but if you don't fall in line to like or hate a specific person, you are, again, discounted.

 

Sigh social issues in gaming is as bad as speaking about abortion, politics or economics. Want to have an internet argument full of ire and petty insults in real life? Then bring up one of those topics.

 

I agree with Markiplier, I do not like Let's Plays at all yet I enjoy this man because of how he treats his fanbase, and of course because even when he is overreacting, his voice is much easier on the ears compared to the likes of someone PewDiePie.

Anyways, while I wouldn't say that gaming culture has went to crap since the medium has been more accepted than ever, something about the culture now just feels... off for lack of a better word. I mean it is there, and it can be indulged in, but it feels kind of processed in some ways.

 

mostly regarding your quoted piece:

In regards to Anita:
Her criticisms utilize elementary ideas in psychology, a lot like PBS Game/Show, and she uses them in very disingenuous fashion. Just one of many examples: She claims that women in media are treated as background set-pieces, and treated as objects, pointing to media (movies and games) in which this is the case, and ignoring examples where women are strong front-running players in narratives. She then talks about the "third person effect" in relation to people who have been supposedly brainwashed by games to be misogynist. Said effect is the tendency for people to believe that they are personally immune to media’s effects even if others may be influenced or manipulated. The more you believe you cannot be affected, the more you are affected.

But she neglects to mention any cases where men are treated as background set pieces, like the guards in Mirror's Edge, or the goons in Kill Bill. The exact same logic could easily be applied here to say that men are treated like objects. And if someone claims this isn't true or that it is exaggerated or not as severe as the times when women are treated like objects, I can just say that these people have been brainwashed by media to believe that men are objects, and if you do not believe that, you are just under the third person effect. The more you believe you cannot be affected by this media's anti-men influence, the more you ARE affected.

It's nonsense. These are real phenomena, but she applies them haphazardly and selectively to make it look like she is discovering some big conspiracy, when in reality there are plenty of counter-examples to be found, and there are tons of places where she engages in severe dishonesty because she cannot find enough evidence to support her points. I mean, for God's sake, the woman claims sexual dimorphism (difference in strength between the two genders) is a social construct. But she doesn't seem to have an explanation for why women's weight lifting records are 30% lower across the board. She just looks for anything and everything that she can cite one study on, no matter how biased and unscientific and un-peer-reviewed, and calls it research. And if you don't agree or criticize her she will scream harassment. That is the biggest issue with Anita.

In regards to Zoe:
She has cheated on her BF. After that it's not more than quite a few coincidences (that could and seem to be damning to the journalists in question and to her person). But those coincidences opened up talk about journalistic integrity in gaming media. After which a group went Sherlock and try to find everything damning, which is all coming out now. If there was a risk of a school shooting don't you think there will be talk about gun safety?

In regards to both:
They both call harassment for attention and play the victim card to get support. Zoe being the most obvious one here. Calling harassment on 2 BBS posts after being notified of existence of said posts, which isn't exactly harassment (right after she went on greenlight for the second time, as the first time failed miserably, which then suddenly went great. This because she suddenly got all the attention).
Sarkeesian on the other hand has a pattern of calling harassment when her videos are running out of steam or when she needed money for her kickstarter. And in her down time she never talks about it, or even when she gets attention for other things she hasn't made.
And both, save from a twitter posts after calling harassment, has yet to come with any evidence of actual harassment. And both bring the pro-sex Vs. anti-sex feminist issues, within the feminist communities, debate to gaming but make it anti-sex Vs male gamers.

 

A recent article from the indie dev in question:

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/arti...zing_the_obvious_to_feel_better_about_oneself