Is the women in games debate good or bad for women in games?

True true, I agree with this. A shift in demand would definitely change things.

Meh, I'm sure majority of AAA dev companies aren't taking this so seriously...

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I think you also missed the point of the video (as well as his point about the ending of DD neon). It basically states in a fairly detailed way that her whole claim is ridiculous. It's not sexist, it's not patriarchy, it's not "men keeping the woman down" or demeaning, or saying women are weak. Is damsel in distress a outdated plot? Yes, I believe so.

As for Feminist Frequency's sources, her so called "sources" are known to be either plagiarized or twisted in her favour.

 

DD neon is a bit of a bad example, as duke nukem would be, they're old school throwbacks, retro plot retro attitude its more tongue in cheek than anything else.

the damsel in distress plot is as old as plots get, im pretty sure it features in hieroglyphics and cave paintings.

sometimes when these things are analyzed, they're examined past what they were intended to be. a plot in the likes of double dragon = throw something together that gives players an easy excuse to beat up some bad guys, and a goal to achieve, save the babe. they really dont go deeper than that. they can be analyzed deeper but you are then looking into creating what was not initially there.

 

That's true, it does depend on the context. However, I think there's a difference between sexualization and objectification. That is, I don't think depicting a person in a sexualized way necessarily involves the reduction of that person to an object. To some people, the entire person, including their body and their personality, has sexual appeal. In practice, it sometimes is demeaning. As you said, it depends on how it's used. I'm just saying it doesn't have to be that way.

 

I did not see that way. I found it's content inaccurate, unnecessarily confrontational and personal (that is, attacking the person instead of disproving the argument being made), emotionally manipulative, and also does not attempt to address the perspective of women who are not in a relationship with a man.

It does not have to be intentional or malicious. Sometimes we do things that we are not aware are wrong, or we don't question the origin of them. Eventually with time we learn that some of our actions have unintended consequences on others, or that the rules that we were given to us came from a place of discrimination.

Her sources are links to actual articles and sites made by other people or institutions subject to public scrutiny. The links can be found on the website.

 

I understand now. Totally agree.

 

I agree, the way it's presented on Neon is definitively tongue in cheek. The way she get's hit in the intro it's shown as a joke and not as a dramatic moment, and I found the whole game pretty funny all the way to the end. It could be argued that they could have changed the plot and kept the game intact, which I guess it's the reason it was included on the videos. Still, I totally missed that important detail on Neon until you mentioned it: it's not meant to be serious at all.

Yeah it's quite old. Taken from the transcript of Damsels in Distress 1

"The trope can be traced back to ancient greek mythology with the tale of Perseus.

According to the myth, Andromeda is about to be devoured by a sea monster after being chained naked to a rock as a human sacrifice. Perseus slays the beast, rescues the princess and then claims her as his wife."

I agree on what you are saying, the plot is meant to be quick and not deep. I think criticism can show us the origin of the plot, and explain why it's so used, and if it's use reflects good or bad things about us.