Japanese Variety show buys EVERY SINGLE FAMICOM CART

I've heard Horror stories about Halo 2 online, but I never met THAT many assholes, until I got to experience first hand how childish the hacking community was.

But even then, I only met one hacker on matchmaking, that I was DEAD SURE was a hacker, without joining a known hacking group or getting thousands of invites from one of my friends who used to hack. That was one reason I found out about the hackers, and he got my Xbox banned permanently from Halo 2 online as well. Not that I really cared. But he's never borrowing anything from me ever again. And the ass laughs about it whenever I talk about it. Ugh.

Also, every one of the hackers was underaged. Buncha kiddos. They thought my friend was "SOOOOO COOOOOL" because he sounded really old. lol

In addition, If you want to hear horror stories about Japanese MMO gamers, I heard that in FFXI, a group of Japanese gamers were playing with an American, took him to a spot full of monsters and said they were gonna help fight them to get experience and crap, then ran off and said "STUPID AMERICAN GAIJIN" and left him to get killed.

There are assclowns all over, and its not different in any other area of the world.

 

The only community I would speak for that I've had a taste of both is the PSO one. That doesn't speak for all online gaming in the least, but based on that taste (pretty much daily for a year) it is painfully clear which one is better mannered.

 

So no one called you a stupid American Gaijin and did something bad to you?

 

I remember the "Stupid American Gaijin" story from when I played FFXI.


Regardless of stereotypes. I think there are some differences between how both countries view gaming.

Plus I think it would be possible to do something along the lines of "An Otaku's guide to visiting Japan"

How to survive in japan (eating, lodging and other things) and that sort of thing, how to ask for directions or where to find things like a bathroom, etc in an easy to understand visual manner (cause god knows people don't read books anymore and yes I do have several books on visiting japan)

Namely because looking at the JNTO there is a listing advertising anime and gaming fans to visit japan....

And knowing some of the idiots that call themselves gamers and anime fans...They'd act like well... complete idiots.

 

I don't doubt this, but as you said yourself that is only a small portion of either gaming community. I've never played PSO, but I trust what you say is true. However I used to play TS:FP on XBL when the community was still very strong. I played this for a little over half a year straight, probably every day and never really encountered many idiots. The people I played with were all great, well mannered, but knew how to have a good time. There weren't just Americans either, a few were from the UK. It was a great group, but even when I wasn't playing with my regular group everyone always seemed friendly and were generally well behaved and good sports. There were occasional complainers, but they didn't cause too much of a fuss, and if they did they could always be booted.

Again, this does not account for the entire community, but it does show one of many sides of the community at large. Does my experience make yours invalid? No, not at all. Both experiences are valid and go to show how diverse the community actually is. Which is why simply stating one community is superior to the other makes no sense to me. Both communities (japanese and us) are diverse, both have their good points, and both have their bad points, but in the end neither is superior to the other.

And I'm pretty sure you understand this, as you seem to be a pretty sensible person and I know you have experienced both communities first hand for a good period of time. I'm just stating my stance and why I don't understand Cactusjack's statements.

 

Well I tried to clear them up before. Well not relaly clear them up... I did do alot of thinking about it and I kinda came to realize that my original idea wouldn't work at all.

So yes I'm changing it. Like I mentioned in another post. Idealy I would like to make something of a documentary or travel loge type thing for people interested in going to japan for the gaming and the anime.

Given that the JNTO is openly pressing this as an experience to go to japan. I think that having some sort of real guide that individuals who won't read a book would be able to view, understand some of the nuances of Japan, several cultural differences as well as other helpful information for the uninitatied.

Any better? And BTW this is a "dream project" as well cause I doubt I would be able to pull it off unless I got a huge grant or something.

 

No, not really. Because I really don't care one bit about your movie, project, or whatever. My main concern was your statement: "Cause it sure as hell would be better thant eh gaming culture here in the USA"(sic) and to figure out why in the world you could say without a doubt in your mind that one gaming culture is so vastly superior to the other. This was never about your project.

Also, you never answered my question about you having ever visited Japan in order to make your comparison first hand of its gaming culture to ours here in the US. I asked if you had ever been to Japan, and that if you hadn't then how could you make such a statement.

 

ok. I was confused abotu what you were asking. My mistake.

Well I was talking about things such how gaming and gamers are percieved and handled in Japan as well as the USA.

I mean a lot of games these days in Japan have the "special edition" with tons of goodies in them like pins, soundtrack CD's, wood cases, art books, and etc...Why are games done like this instead of like in america where a "special edition" is more than likely to simply include a T-shirt or a sticker or comic book and a sleeve because it's more cost effective. Is it because the japanese market has enough room for a market for these extravagant extra's that they can still make a profit on them or is there some other reason?

Also how are gamers different. I mean the PSO arguement that has been going on here does show that there are jerks on both sides of the pacific when it comes to some games. I mean I've played FFXI and played with several japanese parties and had some of the best times playing with those parties. Everything was very consice, very efficent, and organized. While I had been in parties with american players who did nothing but yap during fights, give retarded auto-translate messages and unnecessary sounds when fighting, didn't know how to perform their job properly.

I mean I've listened to people while on Xbox live... I've heard the headset used for everything from Karaoke, to racist hate speech, people attempting to talk a good game, and I've heard things about the Live Camera where people would offer camera shows of themselves doing any number of lewd acts for in game items or just pure exhibitionism. Are there japanese players like this? Do they go to the same level that the US players do in those regards if they do. This would be more discovering how things would be different without making an assumed conclusion.

And to answer your other question. No I haven't been to japan. I'm working on it... But it's not going that well at the moment.

 

Nah. My name was Gaijin Punch as well. Most people were like, "WTF is up w/ your name" until I explained I was indeed just that. I was on the official BBS enough to where I was somewhat known.

My take is that they're both somewhat easy to stereotype. Japanese: reclusive, somewhat dorky and maybe even a bit overboard on formality. Americans: A bit loud and immature. The fact is, these aren't really limited to gamers or online communities. These stereotypes work in real life (as much as stereotypes do). Of course, this is what I take in from viewing people on the train and whatnot, not having anything to do with them. And people are also innocent until proven guilty in my book.

The one western game I played a LOT since college was Descent 3. Loved it, and the community was great. Some whiners, but hey, we all had our bad days. AFAIK, there is a small community still playing. Need to login and see!

 

I don't really think this shows that their gaming community is any better, but rather Japanese consumers are more willing to buy LE/SE items, or rather expect them and U.S. gamers are not or show little interest in such things. Japanese companies milk this, and Japanese customers eat it up. I could also throw the reverse at you and say that Japanese consumers care little about the game itself and want to buy the deluxe box for the trinkets and items where as American gamers just want to get their games and play. Is this true, probably not... which is why to me, your reasoning here makes little sense.

Like what was said before, these examples only represent small portions of the entire community, which is something that should be taken into consideration. Has every American party you ever played with been a group of idiots? If the answer is yes, then either you're not looking very hard for good team members, or you are so caught up in your own biases that you generally refuse to play with Americans and would rather play with the Japanese, therefore letting one (or a few) experience(s) base your entire view of the American population that participates in the game, which I don't think is a fair representation. And to be fair, I know a shitton of cool people at school who play FFXI, none of whom are idiots. Does this mean ALL Americans who play the game are well behaved? No. The thing is, you have to realize that there are two sides to a coin. I'm pretty sure there are more than a few Japanese who play that game and are idiotic. You either haven't run into them, or have and just aren't admitting it.

You've heard things? Hmm, nothing beats first hand accounts. How much time have you actually invested in XBL? I'm betting the answer is very little. I've been with XBL for over two years now, and I can tell you that, while there are idiots who subscribe to the service, they are easily ignored, booted from your game, and finding a good group of people to play with is very simple. Take my example from above. Again, this doesn't mean the entire community is going to be angelic. That will rarely ever happen no matter where you are. What I'm trying to say is that the community is very diverse and shouldn't be judged simply on a few bad experiences.

I'm in no way, shape, or form saying the US gaming community is better or worse than the Japanese gaming community. I understand both have good and bad points, and I'm not going to let some petty differences, one or two bad experiences, or "things I've heard from other people" cloud my judgment. I know both communities (as well as all others) are equally important to gaming throughout the world. This forum is the perfect example of that. There are people from many different parts of the world who participate in the sharing of knowledge of games and gaming from their area, providing interesting and relevant posts about what they know. No one country has it all, and every one has something interesting to share. But simply saying one gaming community is vastly superior to another, well, I still don't understand it.

This answer and your other posts give me a general idea about the kind of person you are. I'm pretty sure that at the end of the day all my points were for naught, and that you will still think that "If it aint Japanese, it aint any good", but I don't care. Maybe I'm wrong about you. I said what I had to though, and I'm done. I'm sure people are getting tired of my ridiculously long posts, so I'm out.

Good luck with your project and your (eventual) trip to Japan. I hope it's everything you think it will be.

 

So I guess the fact that I was acctually wearing the headset and hearing these things myself during play doesn't mean anything. I will freely admit I might've worded it wrong. Doesn't excuse the fact that I've heard things on the headset during games that have made me question whether these people can even disern real life any more.


Alien, please just stop trying to pick apart something that you've already "won" over. I told you that my own statement was faulty before and yet you still pushed it for whatever reason instead of letting it go.

BTW I would love to hear what kind of person you think I am. I seriously would. Cause you'd basically be stereotyping me without ever knowing anything about who I really am as a person.

 

ok

 

BUt they are bollocks. I don't need action to keep me inetrested. I need quality acting with a story that goes beyond two people hating eachother then falling in love by the last episode or just complete stupid crap. I bet if you live here as long as I have with the TV on every day (The missus watches it) you'll soon tire of the same stuff over and over again. Yeah the shell of the show may be fresh but what's inside has been seen time and time again.

Yakumo

 

Not to be on topic or anything ;-)

But... I found this video on youtube which is a compilation of the title screen for all 1252 Famicom releases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXaleptB54c

You'll probably notice some doubles - the author of the video says in the description that some screens are the same if the game was reissued on cart or disk format and the date of sale is different. I'm not too fond of the music - but the video is great.

 

I did a gameshow like this once, but it was with 32X.

 

how many games where there for the 32x sounds pretty interesting more then a famicom one but thats only for me since i never was into famicom stuff

 

It was a joke, since there wasn't many 32x games made.