To be more self confident, forget your daily struggles etc. etc. there are enough reasons why people like to get drunk.I've tried lots of drugs but I have never been drunk yet.I don't like memory holes ;-)
Actually i dont think anyone understood me right, i ment a wound as in if you get a wound getting hit or some type of injury like that.
That's the smartest thing I've heard you say. Not sure if you read my thoughts in the other thread on this, but *ANYTHING* is psychologically addictive. The following are drugs/things that are legal, psychologically addictive, and more dangerous than weed. -Tobacco -Alcohol -Pussy -Gambling -- well, legal in some places -Eating (yes- - eating people!) Anyone can bitch all they want about Marijuana being addictive, but it just doesn't hold up in a reason it shouldn't be legal anymore. Weed does not contain Nicotine (the main carcinogen in tobacco) nor does it contain all those preservatives inserted by Marlboro (official cigarette of the KKK) which are also carcinogenic. To get 'satisfaction' you smoke a fraction of the amount of marijuana as you would tobacco. Eaven a HEAVY pot smoker that smokes lame shwag bud doesn't smoke 5 joints a day by himself, where as an average smoker smokes 20 cigarettes. Someone who buys good weed, smokes only a small amount, as it takes less to get stoned. Finally, Americans are smart enough as to not mix their weed with tobacco, thus keeping it fresh and tasty. You English guys are the ones mixing the shit. Aye. I can't eat meat anymore. (goes along with my eating thing stated above.) I just don't buy this. As I stated, your body builds up tolerance to something like beef. Don't believe me? Stop eating it for 6 months, then have a steak. You will not feel off balance when you quit eating the meat (unless you're psychologically hooked, which I'm sure most people are) but when you try to eat the steak AGAIN, you will notice that something isn't right. Your tollerance is down. Doesn't meant there's a connection between tolerance and addiction. I don't think anyone here doesn't agree that it's not psychologically addictive. Physically addictive my friend, it is not. There's never been one case in the world of someone that can't function when they stopped smoking weed. If they were physically addicted, they couldn't make it through the night w/o a toke. If anything, your short-term memory will get better when you stop. This is not the definition of physical addiction. I think the main issue that those who aren't educated on marijuana use (recreational and medicinal) is that they it's very easy to consider Marijuana as "drugs". When I say drugs, I mean the kind that we hear about in 5th grade, that make you stay up all night, talk to invisible friends, steal to get a fix, and ruin your life. Anyone that's smoked grass knows that it doesn't fall in the same universe. As such, it gets a bad wrap, and people ignorant of the facts feel that it should be illegal, when in fact, it's more benign than our two main legal drugs - tobacco and alcohol. Finally: To those who have had friends who became lazy and their lives taken over by weed. I'm sorry -- you're friends were lazy asses to begin with and probably wouldn't have gone anywhere anyway. I don't smoke anymore, but I smoked for my last year of high school, all of college, and a bit afterwards. I have the reading comprehension skills of a donut, and always have since the 2nd grade. I have never been a particularly motivated person - I'm distracted super easily. (I'm sure I probably have ADD from what I know of it, but never got tested as I didn't want to use it as a crutch). I still managed to graduate college and get a life for myself. I know tons of people that have never smoked in their lives, not doing a damn thing.
There are three reasons why they won't legalize marijuana in the US. 1. Marijuana unlike tobacco can be grown easily and anywhere so there is no effective way to tax it and god forbid the people do anything without being taxed for it. 2. They make far more money from court costs, fines, property seizures, ect than they ever would form taxes. 3. It would reverse years of drug policy. No politician wants to be the idiot on the podium that says "Oops, Our bad. Sorry about this whole marijuana is evil thing." I do think marijuana should be legal as I've stated before. It is safer than both alcohol or tobacco. Yes it can be addictive to certain people but so is anything that is taken in excess. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
I'm no drug user thankfully (unless you want to get technical and call caffiene a drug) and I hope marijuana never gets legalized here in the 'states. I have seen, known, and roomed with too many people who not only become utter idiots while stoned, but have completely thrown their lives away (quit good jobs, dropped out of school) because they are so addicted to marijuana that they don't really care. I've seen what it does to people, I think the "marijuana is not addictive" is utter bullshit (not calling anyone here a liar, and I know there's GaijinPunch's point about anything being addictive, but this really is) and tend to only hear that opinion from greasy-looking people on the street trying to get signatures for legalization on the next voting ballot. I'm currently going to go with what clinical trials have proven - that marijuana is addictive, as well as containing tar much like cigarettes. Plus there is the personal reason that I think the stuff smells like utter ass and I get vicious headaches from the odor - people here in the US are inconsiderate enough with their cigarette smoke, I don't want to be dealing with their weed smoke as well. I hope I haven't offended anyone, especially those of you who live in countries where the stuff is legal - if it works for you there, great, I'd just rather it not be legal here. Like I said before, I've seen enough people fuck up their lives through drugs, alcohol, and even tobacco, that I am not even remotely for the legalization of anything else.
I said it contains tar naturally, and nicotine isnt a carcinogen. Im not English! Boy, those crack addicts must never sleep then... And no, the memory thing doesn't always get better.
Discussing drugs on message boards is as pointless as discussing politics - everyone is entrenched in their own viewpoint, and not willing to entertain opinions from the other side. Let me just say this: # deaths per year (US) from tobacco: 418,690 (1996 figure) # deaths per year (US) from alcohol: ~130,000 (can't find an exact figure) # deaths per year (worldwide) from cannabis: 0 To me, that says it all really.
I agree with you anagarama on the argument thing. But... im the wrong person to play the statistics game with. All UK figures - death tolls 2003: Causes of death * All Under 1 1–4 5–14 15–24 25–34 35–44 45–54 55–64 65–74 75–84 85 and ages over Mental and behavioural disorders M 980 - - 3 117 327 234 150 87 38 21 3 due to psychoactive substance use F 262 - - 3 27 66 61 50 25 17 9 4 Accidental poisoning by and M 60 - - - 11 20 12 12 2 1 exposure to antiepileptic, F 52 - - - 5 8 13 11 6 6 sedative-hypnotic, antiparkinsonism and psychotropic drugs, not elsewhere classified Accidental poisoning by and M 242 - - 1 47 91 73 26 2 1 exposure to narcotics and F 40 - - - 7 13 9 5 3 2 psychodysleptics [hallucinogens], not elsewhere classified The UK doesn't count specific drug statistics for political reasons, so while quite a few of the deaths recorded above aren't drug related, a good number of them are. Where did you get a figure of 0 for cannabis deaths from? you think a stoner has never fallen over and hit his head and died? seriously...
[quote[I said it contains tar naturally, and nicotine isnt a carcinogen.[/quote] even if it contained 1 for 1 the same amount of tar as tobacco, you smoke much less weed -- making it the less damaging choice. Oops -- that was kind of a cheap shot, wasn't it. Generally by definition, they're pretty much lurking about, looking for a fix when theyr'e not high. Heroin is the prime culprit I'm talking about. Remember the scene in Trainspotting when he goes cold turkey? It's not far off from what I know. Even the latest scientific studies are admiting that effects of Marijuana aren't necessarily permanent. Well that's hardly the cannabis' fault now is it? That's like saying a guy got high, and was walking by a cliff and fell and died, so he died from Cannabis. Dip shit shouldn't have been walking by the cliff when he was SOBER.
True, but if that was the case, then all the deaths due to drink driving could be wiped off the statistics. Same for pretty much any death caused by a substance. Heroin overdoses could be nullified, as the impurities in them cause the damage a lot of the time. People choking on their vomit from drinking too much? thats their stomach's fault for making too much vomit in the night! It's the old "guns don't kill people" argument Point is, if he wasn't "wankered on weed" he (probably) wouldn't have fallen over and banged his head.
In that case, find a single documented case. Anywhere, ever. And I can't see anything in your statistics that specifically refers to cannabis as opposed to narcotic/psychotropic substances in general. It's not as if I'm trying to defend smack or PCP here. As with so many other things, I believe Bill Hicks said it best: [paraphrasing] "What right does any person, body or government have to dictate what I may take, smoke, snort or shoot into my own body as long as it does not harm another living soul?" One more thing - ANYONE who rails against cannabis (or drugs in general) yet drinks alcohol (y'know, the legal taxed drug that kills thousands every year and injures countless more) is a self-deluding hypocrite with no right to an opinion in such a debate. [not aimed at anyone here, just a general comment] And with that, I'll take my own advice from my first post and retire from this thread. eyethangyuladeezandgennelmen.
I love a challenge, what sort of death do you want? overdoes isnt realyl an option as you have to consume more than is generally physically possible. True, which is why I stated that specific figures aren't collected. But seeing as weed is a "gateway drug" the figures are relevant. Boy, it's a good thing I don't drink then! or does the maybe 1 bottle of beer every 3 months make me a hypocrite? That is an interesting theory though, as anyone can have an opinion on something even though they may have never indulged.
Well, that was easy! first google hit for "cannabis death" http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/20/1074360762037.html?oneclick=true Proved me wrong as well! :smt033 Ooops... I mean :drinkers: Urm... I mean :-D http://www.briancbennett.com/charts/death/cannabis.htm Im not sure what they mean by "induced death" like maybe they fell asleep with a lit spliff in their hands and set themselves on fire or what. I will bid you all good day!
Ah yes, the 'gateway' theory. Because if something is repeated enough times then it must be true, right? Wrong.
I don't subscribe totally to the "gateway theory" because, unless you didn't read my "essay", I have seen the effects of "real" drugs first hand. I have seen so many people move from weed to stronger things, but I have also seen people starting on "harder" drugs. I have also seen plenty of people just stick to weed. To quote your source: My argument isn't that "all weed smokers turn into smack addicts" it's that its not as safe as all the fuckwits who peddle the stuff would have you believe. If people want an occasional spliff on the weekend, I don't personally give a shit. What I do care about, is all the people who use it a lot who think its harmless. People who smoke it tend to have selective hearing (sorry to generalise). If it goes against their beliefs its "a conspiracy to stop us enjoying ourselves". I used to think like that when I did it, then I saw the stark realisation of what it can do. Im not some conservative arse who hasn't even seen anything stronger than a pack of strepsils. To all the people who think drugs are cool, I can show you any number of graves of people I knew who thought the same.
I would just like to add that if alcohol is used properly, and you don't drink it to get drunk, then it is not a drug. The only time alcohol can be counted as a drug is if the person uses it just to get drunk, instead of as a drink. This means that to Tachikoma, alcohol is not a drug, but simply a drink that he has in moderation.
