:dance: I have to say that's new to me. And what fabulous news it is! :dance: After all these years the game finally shows up on the Wii's Virtual Console and gets reverse engineed back to MVS ROM format. Awesome. I'm trying to find it now, but my Google-Fu is failing me. Anyone have any idea what board types will be required for AES and MVS conversions please?
hell yeah, I'm a neo geo fan and collector, that's really awesome news never undestood nor liked all the "show off" drama surrounding the neo geo scene
If not by land, then by sea! Well, absolutely, it's great for all of us, but it's lesson learned for the individual(s) who have been hording the rom data all these years. As I said many times in the past, better to sell, trade, or "controlled community release" one of a kind unreleased roms because sooner or later they will be found someplace else and get released anyway and once that happens, you and your data are about as useful as an empty beer can. My only concern is that in order to "convert" each game from "virtual console download" to "actual rom file ready to burn and assemble on cartridge", many people have to be contacted for their help throughout various channels on the internet. This in turn leaves a large digital paper trail exposed on the internet which if seen by the wrong people,could accidentally result in biting the hand that feeds us, should the reaction be to no longer provide those games. It's ironic though, because it will actually end up costing us way more then whatever 900 wii points are worth in real money. The cost involved with the donor cartridge, the eproms, and all the time and labor involved in assembling it will far outweigh it. Shows just how crazy we all are. If only the idiots at 5nk p7aym0r3 were humans who actually talk to us, we could arrange faster, easier, and more profitable for them ways of getting the games we want on the format we want them in the first place.
Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. First the game is released WW and cost nothing in development (ok a week assembly and test). Second how many Wii are WW ? 50 mil ? So if only 100 000 people WW buy the game then they earn 900 000 USD. On the other hand if you have to make a cart then it will cost you time and money and how many copies you could sell ? 100 ? even if 500 and if they have 100 USD a piece then they'd earn 50 000 USD and have to deal with the order's, shipment etc. So which way you choose ? To the trace point, same story. Nobody from Nintendo care if a few people on the internet download this game and do what ever they want to do with it as the % of that people compare to buying customers is so tiny that if they care it would cost them to much money and effort then the actual lost.
just the data, not the game Yes I understand the cost of production involved is not worth it to them. That's why they stopped doing it on cartridge long ago. What I meant was just the DATA itself. AFTER they release it on the WII, and AFTER they sell as much as they can on the WII, then the game (the data only) could be sold on their website (just like people sell music songs online) with a button to buy the data for what? $9? whatever 900 wii points is worth? I would have happily paid ten times that amount for that matter. I would be more then happy to buy a wii system, and pay for the ironclad virtual console download, and then just toss it all in the back of a closet to keep as my "legal ownership" of the data just so that I could build my own cartridge for personal use in my home guilt-free.
See that's the problem. From the point of the developer there is nothing like selling rought data to you to make your own copy. There is a whole lot of copyright and trademarks in this world. So nothing from your dreams happen as long as there is a company or someone who own the rights and the possibility to profit from the data in a future (port to another console, phone etc.). And on top of that 99% of people never ever even know that they would do such a thing. Or know there is a neo geo community or any other who want this or that.
Oh I'm sure someone was a bit more than just 'peeved' :dance: Suicidal maybe? :crying::noooo::evil: Considering a released title such as Euro Kizuna can go for $12.5k, I really can't imaging what an unreleased Neo Geo game on cart would be worth. Ok, so this did see a CD release so it's not like discovering Karate Ninja Sho or whatever, but it is still a highly sought after title. Say that a legit Ironclad MVS cart had appeared on eBay in the last 5 years. What do you estimate that it really would have gone for? I reckon it would have easily beaten Kizuna and gone for a good $15k.
Then, why the "protos" owner have not released the rom? I guess because even while the proto would achieve a big amount on a bidding, it probably would not be as big as if the game remained totally unreleased... I guess. Because if the proto value were not affected by the rom release, then somebody would have been a very nasty person all these years, no?
High value protos will never show up on eBay. Why? The folks who sell them usually don't want other people to even know they had them in the first place. Low level stuff, yeah, no problem. But you're not going to see high profile/high value items just pop out of the blue and be put up for bid. -hl718
The begining of the End? Oh yes, I can assure you that had any NEOGEO proto shown up on EBAY or any other auction house or sellers market in the past 5 years it would have fetched many thousands. But here is the real irony in this whole thing. And this will totally force everyone to rethink the entire subject from now on. As I mentioned earlier, the individual who was holding onto Ironclad has been very badly burned, I’m talking seriously scorched. What was worth thousands of dollars is now worthless. Yes, granted, the actual physical original one of a kind cartridge will always hold a high value with the elite collectors, assuming one even exists. But the emulated screen shots were the only proof that was ever provided to us. So all they really had was the data, and the data is now shareware! So guess what? Now we have no choice but to accept the fact that ANYTHING can happen at ANYTIME in regards to these NEOGEO protos. Therefore, anyone hanging onto a neogeo proto right now should be shaking in fear. In my honest opinion, it's like holding onto a ticking time bomb at this point. The first domino has fallen and the rest will inevitably follow. Just the possibility itself that SNK could release any of those games for a mere 900 Wii points at any time creates an unstable and unpredictable environment. No one really knows what might happen or when? So it would behoove those out there who may have these games to begin working on a community release if they want to get their money back on whatever astronomical price they may have paid for the game when they first acquired it. So the real significance in this whole thing is not just that we got A neogeo proto, but that we may very well have opened the flood gates towards eventually getting ALL of the neogeo protos. One additional thought…we want to make sure that we don't bite the hand that feeds us! We need SNK to cough up everything, and the best way to ensure that is to make Ironclad a huge mega success on the virtual console. As a result, Crossed Swords 2, Zintrick, and others will follow. So to make sure that happens, we should encourage the purchasing of Ironclad by absolutely everyone we know who has a Wii once it gets released in the USA.
I like how you speak. It's sounds that you know everything and it's all true (no offense). Probably your problem is that you were closed in NG community for so long that you can't see the real world. If the rom is released it doesn't change the price of the proto/beta if the game isn't shit. Look at the prices of FF, GT, Pokemon, Zelda, ICO, SoC or any Jaguar game they all have been released and every time they show up somewhere they go high. Or even Darxide for 32x which I discovered and donate for release and a single copy of this game go for 1000 Euro or more every time it shows up.
Those are all retail games. Betas devalue when the ROM is publicly available. End of discussion. As far as the rousing speech given by Supergun... meh. My experience of NeoGeo collectors is that they'll take the fingers-in-ears "LA LA LA I can't hear you" approach and things will stay exactly as they were. Or, conversely, one unreleased game is out - that means that there are even less remaining protos to find and hoard, so prices go up. It's all speculation, and you're speculating over the minds of people with more money than sense.
Yes, but those new betas aren't released when they're found. Look at Dreamcast Half-Life -- the beta was in huge demand until it got leaked. Now the beta disc itself holds little value. Or look at Sonic X-treme -- the beta disc commanded a few thousand before it got leaked. And that's even with video and descriptions of the limited gameplay. Now the beta disc itsn't worth much as the ROM is out. It's the same story all the time. Betas loose value once dumped. And it is something of an unknown. If you have a valuable collection you aren't guaranteed to have the only copy of said game. And if someone else leaks a version before you then your disc just became massively devalued. For a more recent example, lllsondowlll just leaked a beta build of Forza 2 in the Unreleased Games section of this board. It's an awesome thing for him to do from the perspective of the masses, but for the other collectors out there with copies of the disc the value (either sale or trade) of their discs just bottomed out like a rock. -hl718
all what counts is the data on the disc, not the disc itself. when the data is released, the disc is "just another copy" give or take collectors craze.
There's a few Dreamcast and NGPC games I'd be willing to take the financial hit on just so we could play them. Honestly, find me a GD-R of Geist Force and you'll all be playing it within a week.
The only collector that I know of who had a Geist Force disc only wanted one thing in trade for it -- Propeller Arena. When this board dumped the PA GD-R he decided he wasn't interested in trading it off anymore. I've since lost touch with him, but for what it's worth, I can verify that there is a copy of the GD-R in collector hands and the guy who had it lived in the UK. So it is quite possible for it to be found if you either: 1) Have lots of cash 2) Can figure out some other rare title that he'll take in trade -hl718
You are speaking about something else. I don't talk about common games or crapy disc games as you can see. All of the games I mentioned the roms can be found on internet and the price of the betas/proto didn't change. Try sometimes look at any pokemon/zelda or jaguar demo/beta and you'll see for how much they sell. In the fact cartridge as neogeo is still have the value even the data are dumped. Disc based games not as you can easily make a few extra copies.
