Lindbergh hardware emulation?

The Type X thread got me thinking about this; have there been any efforts to make PC based arcade games run on home computers? Specifically I'm wondering about the Lindbergh. Even though most of them rely on some sort of hardware security device, surely there's a way to reverse engineer something like that and make a program that would emulate a PCI card or a USB dongle. I'm also curious as to whether HDD images have been ripped from Lindbergh or any other PC based hardware.

And no, I'm not asking for links to ROMs or any sort of illegal material. I'm asking this from a purely hypothetical standpoint.

 

DDR encryption is broken and runs perfectly on any home-PC.. thats the only one i know of.

sys246, lindbergh and type-X i havent heard of any atempts to even decrypt, maybe because theyre still so expensive to aquire, th elindbergh has a very limited selection of games aswell.

 

VF5 and Afterburner should be of some interest to most players, I m looking forward to that.

 

Bah, I'd rather have HotD4.

 

Area 51 site 4 runs on PC style hardware. Thats the only one I can think of.

Nobody has emulated naomi, chihiro, triforce or system 246 yet. So emulating a 3ghz p4 is unlikely any time soon.

It's possible that you could take each game and recode parts of it so that it would run natively, but it's alot of work & technically isn't emulation.

None of the DDR games run on PC hardware, the first ones were PlayStation and the recent ones are PlayStation 2 ( actual retail versions ). System 246 is a possibility now that PlayStation 2 emulation is starting to become a reality, but I think it's a way off. Lindburgh and Type-X games are prohibitively expensive. I know a DDR SuperNova HD was dumped and it killed the drive, probably that it just gave up but theres a rumour now that it self destructs.

Even the original beatmania hard drives were locked, so it's possible that you can't dump the drives easily anyway.

smf

 

What needs to be recoded except the security stuff? Lindbergh games run natively on Linux, and I believe Type X games run on an embedded version of Windows XP.

 

Depends on how they do their graphics and whether you have the same hardware as them. i.e. Direct3d on windows you practically write your code specifically for the capabilities of the graphics card in your machine. OpenGL is supposed to have software fallbacks in the driver, though alot of accelerated drivers don't do this.

If they've got any sense then the security will be heavily threaded into the game & it will be coded as specifically for the hardware as possible. If it's easy for you to run it any PC then bootleggers will have no problem either and Sega/Taito won't sell any hardware.

Xbox runs a version of Windows too & nobody has managed to get xbox games running on Windows XP yet ( although I think someone did start trying to make halo run and it got quite a way ). I think it's more likely people would have wanted to run cracked xbox games on a pc than the boring arcade games that are coming out now ( I completed afterburner climax at ATEI on freeplay and it's nowhere near as much fun as the original ).

smf

 

In The Groove 2 was recently broken by me and a friend of mine. and runs fine (it was protected by dongle with key to rsa encrypted zips on it)
it originally ran on standard pc hardware with dongle and a proprietary usb/vga to jamma converter

Beatmania IIDX 10-13 are all cracked to run on pc (along with itg2 hard drive, they are NOT widely available)

and no DDR Supernova drives do not self destruct when dumped.....

also me and pat may be interested in looking into other games if you get us the software and dongle.

 

Do you know how the Lindbergh security device works? I mean, is it a dongle or a PCI card or what?

 

is possible to pay this game with usb control pad

 

I'm interested. Care to elaborate?

 

Sadly not much is known on the security chip used in Lindbergh. It's the same technology used in Naomi GD software as well as later systems (that used the sega dimm/GD technology).

There are no known dumps of a noami SC (its a small little chip). It's actualy was a hinderence in getting naomi GD emulation going in one dreamcast emulator (they got a few cart games to run).


Type-X games are probably posible since they use a USB dongle & HDD. Actualy would like to eventualy get a Type-X board and see if they can be modified/changed.

 

Old thread but if anyone is interested.

Naomi1/Chi/Tri all use a 16C622. It supplies (obfuscated) a DES key used to decrypt the main GD binary.

Lindbergh uses a few different parts to provide security. One is a custom P4 motherboard with the security module hooked up directly to the southbridge. The system boots MonteVista Linux from a hardware locked Compact Flash card. The security module is a 16F648a which provides AES keys to : enc/decrypt the game DVD software, dec/encrypt the HDD storage.

 

Hello Mrsporty
dongle is used for much more than decrypt data, run those games in a regular computer would require a lot of hacking, decrypt data is not enought

You all have to think that typex/typex2 is a joke as system, games are just computer games that open a serial port connection (COM2 is the serial port to be exact) to taitos jvs board, so you can skip taitos loader and launch the game.exe directly, as long as you got the jvs board attached to com2 on your computer, game will work fine.
Thats taitos problem, its just a regular computer with a jvs board attached to com2.

Lindbergh as MrSporty says has more things there, first one is the pci jvs board (with its own custom linux drivers). But even if you could buy this pci board and attach it to any regular computer, game will not work, cause this board comunicates with the security chip that is attached to the south bridge of the motherboard.

 

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The Lindy security looks to be pretty tight, unlike Type X boards. However, am I wrong in thinking that I saw a certain Sega title running on a standard PC last year? I was certain that the new Sega Rally for Lindy was up and running. I could be wrong.

 

sega rally its not a lindbergh game, its a pc based game, it uses a regular pc

 

Ahhh, that clarifies that then. I thought it was a Lindy title. Carry on!

 

Sega Rally 3 uses the Europa-R hardware. It is PC based (like Lindbergh) but also has a custom security module (like Lindbergh) that would prevent straight installation on a PC.

http://system16.com/hardware.php?id=907

Sega Rally 3 is currently arcade only and has not been released in any home version (including the PC).

-hl718

 

system16 is not allways acurate, well most of the cases its not
sega rally 3 can be played in any computer, security on this one is a joke.
It uses a regular intel motherboard, nothing compared to lindbergh. This game was done by sega europe and they used a regular windows xp with an usb dongle. They didnt even used an xp corporate, just oem xp
Big piece of shit
And if anyone cares, security involves credit mechas not working LOL

 

What exactly is "Lindbergh"?