More London Fun

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189920,00.html

 

Nice shooting lets hope they got the right guy.

 

"IF" the "SUSPECTED" guy is a suicide bomber then good job? Shouldn't they have known he was a suicide bomber before shooting him and shouldn't they know if he was carrying a bomb or a change of clothes?

 

It was all so quite when I went past this morning.....I always miss out on the fun!!!

Oh well daughters birthday party this evening......20 hormnal 10 year old girls.....bound to kick off

 

You just know right now the guy in charge of those officers is chugging Pepto Bismol straight from the bottle and praying they got it right.

 

Not really... the guy gave chase and was wearing a big winter coat... it reallly isnt weather for a big winter coat!

 

DEAR God, man! I remember baby-sitting my nieces, or with some friends, their little sister, back in those pre-teen years, and it was quite a situation.
That's gotta have been one crazy evening.

 

May God have mercy on your soul.

 

It suprises me that people react to news like this, but then I forget that in LA things like this happen all the time. A few months ago the cops shot 147 bullets into a car becasue the driver was a suspected car thief. 2 weeks ago they shot a guy who was blitzed on coke and used his own daughter as a human shield (what a dirtbag.) Two years ago a homeless woman was shot becasue she was carrying a screwdriver. But then I remeber that cops in England aren't in the habit of blowing people away for no reason, so I can understand the reaction, certainly so given the current terrorist attacks.

BTW, have they learned anything from the two guys they caught? Like say, where Ossama Bin Lauden is? Becasue for some reason I would trust this information more if it came from the British Government than my own. Call me crazy, but the Brits seem a little more on the ball when it comes to like, not lying to thier citizens.

 

WE barely have police with guns around london.

 

Turns out that the guy they shot was INNOCENT and nothing to do with the bombing's

 

Hysteria does not respect innocence. Neither do bullets. Bad combination, if you ask me. And it's about to become an international incident, being that the poor fellow was brazilian.

Trigger Happy mentalities do not solve conflicts.
I hope this never happens again and things somehow sort out, but this happens to be an irreversible mistake - and that's very sad. The more sad part is, I was hearing on CNN, that cops are now receiving the order to shoot to kill. It's a difficult thing to balance, though, with the suicide bombers' devices usually being on the body of the attacker. Still, more mistakes are likely.

Talk about a difficult situation, huh?

 

Yep, it's a real 'no win' situation, I would not want the sharp-shooters job for all the tea in China...

If you hesitate shooting the bomber blows up a city.

If you shoot the bomber, the group responsible send another bomber!!!

If you shoot the wrong person, who knows what will happen?

There is no end

 

Indeed and im shocked at the news calling him a Trigger happy cop. Grr! He was doing his fecking job to the best of abiltys at that given time!

Hindsight a wonderful thing. Like you say either way that cop couldnt win.

I fully back the cop as he will now be put thro hell for killing someone.

 

Umm depends.... the story is the guy left a block of APARTMENTS that could of been attached to the bombs.

Then they dint stop him till he got to the tube station! (if he was suspected of hacing a bomb they let him walk around town near to people and still followed him!)

The place where he lived isnt the nicest places and if your being followed by a bunch of hard looking guys your not going to stop.

The thing that i find most weird is that they threw him on the ground and then stoped and shot him....

Its all very very flaky. I mean ok he dint stop and gave chase but i would of at least expected some police to be in uniform.

 

they identifed themsevles Useally by saying @STOP ARMED POLICE@ he could speak english yet he still ran, It was judged to be a risk and was shot. Reason for shooting in the head? he cud of had bomb strapped to him.

The cops did what they thought right at that time.

What if he was a bomber anddidnt shoot?


Oh and u cant blend in when your a cop in uniform....

 

One he was still learning english. Two what if he was deaf? or spoke no english at all? A turist? What do you think it would of done for turism in london to find that they randomly shot a turist.

On such flaky information! He left a apartment that was thought to linked to the bombings... had it been someone they KNEW was linked to the bombings in some way then ok. But you cant say they had much inteligence on who the person was apart from someone walking out of an apartment.

As i said before when we dint have any of the details fair enough if he hadnt given him self up and they knew something about the guy but to chase someone you dont know is involved and to not have a single uniformed police officer... Also does he look at all like any of the indian bombers...

Then why let the guy leave the apartment go out walking about before chasing him as he entered the station... had he actually been a suicide bomber they gave him plenty of time to run into a bus about to leave and blow up in there... then what would people of said? Umm why did they wait so long. . .

Yeah you cant blend in when your a cop in uniform but you can always have them close by to coner someone in... Had they had even one armed police officer then maybe he would of understood what was going on. I cant say i wouldnt run from random people chasing me.

 

the thing that is sad about this story is that the director of the london police said they will continue to shoot if they have any doubt, and he said the only way to stop a (plausible) terrorist was by a bullet in the head. The guy was killed by 5 shots in the head btw, but i doubt only one wouldn't have suficed.

 

It was really an issue of lack of judgement. The cop acted on impulse. Who knows how the cops in Brazil behave, but I sure as hell would run if the mexican police chases me, even if I'm innocent. It's a cultural thing.

The incident happened because of faulty communication and impulsive use of force, justified because of the recent tension caused by the bombings. But really, how justifiable is it to retaliate impulsively against unknown targets?

Who's right? It really does no good anymore to point the blame. An innocent person is dead and that's pretty much all there is to it - so maybe the strategy should be re-thought to protect the life of people more than to kill suspected attackers?

It's a hard situation to balance, but the loss of life is a tragedy no matter whose life ends or who is the one who takes it.

 

No but when someone shouts "armed police stop" I would tend to stop (Ive had armed police in oz stop me i stoped sharpish and crapped meself) Uniformed cops were coose by but were unarmed therefore have to stay back. It was an on going op and cops were caught on the hop. You can not have armed cops everywhere all the time - Armed cops are a specialist unit. They HAD to stop that man as he was seen as a threat to others.

It was a tough call that the cop had to make. Police regulations call for suspected suicide bombers to be shot in the head which negates any chance of the suspect activating any device they may have on them or any remote control.

The police learned this lesson from the Israeli's. Can you think of a reason as to how they learned such a lesson? Through bitter experience. Yes it is a shame that an innocent person died, but he ignored police warnings to stop and that cost him his life. I would imagine that the policeman involved will not exactly be high fiving his buddies back at the station over what he has done.

It's a catch-22 situation. Lose-lose. The guy lost, the police lost. However, I hope the police respond in exactly the same way in the future, as I don't want to see more pictures of exploded buses, or have to read about Policemen being stabbed to death by a suspect, because they dropped their guard at the wrong time.