Mystery RGB SCART Cable

Discussion in 'Off Topic Discussion' started by kuze, Sep 6, 2013.

  1. kuze

    kuze Peppy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    6
    So, I had purchased a SNES RGB SCART cable off of eBay a while back and mistakenly was sent what appears to be a Sega Saturn SCART cable (10-pin Mini DIN connector). I cut off the Saturn end of the cable so that I could rewire it for a CMVS build I'm working on. When I started testing continuity with my dmm, I found that pins 7 (blue) and 11 (green) reflected continuity. So I popped open the SCART end and found this inside:

    4tD8y8j.jpg

    Anyone know what the hell this chip is doing there? I can't read the label on the chip, as it's mostly covered. Not sure whether I should just leave it as-is, or remove the thing and wire up Green and Blue directly. The chip is also connected to pin 9.

    Cheers.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2013
  2. smf

    smf mamedev

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    1,255
    Likes Received:
    88
    Are you sure it's not wired for Japanese scart? http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/668/jap21torgbscart.jpg
     
  3. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,354
    Likes Received:
    822
    Why would you cut the Saturn connector off? They're a bit scarcer now. Get a SCART lead from a £1 shop!

    There's no 'label' on a chip usually, the model number should be printed directly on the top.
     
  4. kuze

    kuze Peppy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    6
    That is a possibility to be honest. But why would the chip also be connected to pin 11 (av control)? Doesn't seem like that would have anything to do with the sync lines. If you're right, and I think you probably are, then the chip is probably acting as a sync booster.
     
  5. smf

    smf mamedev

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    1,255
    Likes Received:
    88
    Maybe when it detects sync it tells the tv to change channel?
     
  6. Druidic teacher

    Druidic teacher Officer at Arms

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    3,643
    Likes Received:
    129
    x
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2017
  7. kuze

    kuze Peppy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    6
    It's cheaper for me to repurpose a cable I got for free, rather than go out and buy additional parts. Also, SCART leads are scarce stateside and I'd have to purchase them online. I did keep the Saturn end in case I ever wish to wire up a replacement cable; it's certainly not ruined. For now, I'm making do with what I've got.

    My understanding is that the "AV Control" pin is used to tell the display whether to select Composite video or RGB. It's definitely possible that it's checking for signal on the sync line to determine whether to select RGB. Thanks!

    The additional confirmation is much appreciated -- I'll keep the RGB21 side as-is and wire the console side accordingly. Your post seems to infer that newer XRGB units (e.g. the Framemeister) may not require C-Sync at all? I'm also curious whether I will need to feed the Framemeister 5v for it to recognize my RGB signal.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2013
  8. Druidic teacher

    Druidic teacher Officer at Arms

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    3,643
    Likes Received:
    129
    x
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2017
  9. TriMesh

    TriMesh Site Supporter 2013-2017

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2008
    Messages:
    2,324
    Likes Received:
    750
    It's a power connection - you have to apply 5V to the AV control pin to switch the device over to RGB mode, so I would expect it to be wired to pin 8 on the chip if they are using an LM1881 (which it certainly appears to be - you can see the R and C connected between pin 6 and pin 4 (Rset) and a decoupling cap between pins 4 and 8). Pin 1 (Csync out) should wire to pin 9 on the JP 21 pin and the video should go to pin 2. GND is pin 4 on the chip and could wire to any of the grounds on the plug.
     
  10. kuze

    kuze Peppy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    6
    Pins 2, 4, 6 and 8 aren't wired up at all on the JP21 connector -- am I missing something here?
     
  11. TriMesh

    TriMesh Site Supporter 2013-2017

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2008
    Messages:
    2,324
    Likes Received:
    750
    Yeah, I wasn't being that clear - except for the reference to pin 9, everything else is talking about pin numbers on the chip - which judging from the photo are exactly what you would expect for an LM1881.
     
  12. kuze

    kuze Peppy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2011
    Messages:
    371
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ah ok, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for the additional info, TriMesh!
     
sonicdude10
Draft saved Draft deleted
Insert every image as a...
  1.  0%

Share This Page