new way of playing backups on sega saturn without a modchip?

not sure if this is the rite place to put this or not.

anyways, i was reading on this one forum that another way to play backups with out a modchip or swap trick, he sed to cut the outer part of a burned saturn game and then put a an actual saturn game on top of it in the disk drive.

it makes sense that it would work, but wouldnt the laser hav a hard time focusing on the top disk? can any1 confirm this?

 

How would the outer part me held in? It would just sit in the tray and not move because its not attached to the assembly.

 

Well, with indrustrial tools to cut, sand and bond the outter edge with great precision, it'd be feasible...

It'd probably cost more thant to buy a retail though ...

Although I can see someone doing that for a SystemDisc backup ... If the SD doesn't have a special ring liek the Dreamcast's SD2 ...

Cheers,

FG

 

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im not tryin to burn the security ring. like cutting the burned disc's outer part and then like taping an officail disk on top of it so that the saturn reads the security ring of the legit disk and then goes to the burned disk

 

Tape would stop parts of the disc being read im pretty sure. Not sure if you've ever had a sticker on a disc you've not wanted to remove for fear of damaging it but they dont play with the sticker on.

 

I once burned the contents of a system disc to mini-CDR, which I then attached to an original Saturn game (a spare Christmas NiGHTS, I recall). These were aligned then attached together using some kind of plastic adhesive, but sadly it seems a stock console's laser isn't strong enough to read the ring because of its slightly raised height. Either that or I didn't line up the two components right... then again, would this method even work?

P.S. I tried doing this with the lid mechanism taped into the open position because I have a feeling attempting it while closed might result in the upper part rubbing to a point where it can't reach a working speed!

 

Datel did this with the security ring of Crazy Taxi blue bottom PS2 discs for their Action Replay's. It involved laser cutting and extreme precision to actually do this, not scotch tape.

 

so it wont work? meh guess ill start savin up for a modchip i suppose

 

You're being serious - they really did that? Now it makes sense why the PS2 version of Crazy Taxi is so rare! I've never seen one of those discs, but Datel were obviously thinking on a crude level (and perhaps a little outside the box) when they came up with that particular method of security breaking...

 

yea now i see why they are frowned upon at times by developers lol

 

You can always install a switch in your Saturn to force the lid sensor to read CLOSED, so you can perform the Swap Trick to boot the System Disc and then just leave your Saturn on until you're done playing for awhile. Actually I suppose if you wanted you could install fans and just leave the Saturn on all the time with the System Disc having unlocked it.

 

Please tell me you're not being serious. Modchips aren't expensive. How much is a crappy Saturn game? And you'd actually consider buying one for EVERY disc you want to burn?!

Not that I condone piracy, but if you're going to be a cheapskate, just use a modchip or the swap trick. Destroying a game so you can play another doesn't make sense.

 

But Hong Kong Silvers still need a mod chip or disc swap to boot.

 

I'm being serious in so far that it was what I've been told and I'm 99% sure its the reason why the Action Replay pops up on a PC as "Crazy Taxi". Can't find anything to substantiate my claim other than some odd references to "boot code" (which makes no sense) and some odd references by people who clearly know nothing about how PS2 security works (not that I'm an expert mind you).

 

Another way is to buy a Magic Card V2. It goes in the cart slot and works in much the same way as an Action Replay, you just have to disable the lid switch. Rare as fuck, mind.

 

I severely doubt they did this with every copy of Action Replay they made, if that's what you're implying. After all, we know that bootable PS2 games can be pressed - we have Swap Magic, the various iterations of Xploder/Gameshark etc.

 

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AFAIK that's a myth. Why would pirates, in the time when Saturn was new and games were expensive, go out and BUY games so they could make a pirated disc? Of course they wouldn't!

Think about it, too. Cutting through a disc, keeping the thin data layer intact? It's not going to happen.

 

Yeah, that's too much effort to be worthwhile.

Perhaps a nice thing to try as hand crafts in a very boring day.