Nintendo's Ultimate Solution

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  1. HCK

    HCK Intrepid Member

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    So after GC, Wii, and 3DS (especially 3DS) people, investors even, have begun talking about Nintendo going the way of Sega and become a software company, hands off the hardware, please.

    But I think there's a better solution... one that would make Nintendo more competitive... could mend fences with 3rd party developers... and refresh the staleness of their properties.

    Change the management. It's time for Iwata and Miaymoto to retire.

    What say you?
     
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  2. GodofHardcore

    GodofHardcore Paragon of the Forum *

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    Ultimate Solution?
    Nintendo is Killing Jews and people of non Aryan decent now?

    Oh wait my bad, that was the FINAL Solution I don't like Nintendo but I wouldn't ever Equate them with Nazi's

    that's what Sony's for

    (Apologies if that actually offended anyone)
     
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  3. la-li-lu-le-lo

    la-li-lu-le-lo ラリルレロ

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    Haha, yeah that was my first thought when I saw the title as well.

    Anyway, no, I don't think Iwata and Miyamoto should retire. Miyamoto is a genius in my opinion. Nintendo is one of the few companies making games today (along with Valve and maybe a few others) that I'm really interested in. I would also argue that Nintendo is really the only Japanese game company that still matters in the west.

    I've said this before, but I'll say it again; I think Nintendo is doing a good job. Have you played Star Fox 64 3D? Fucking awesome game. It kept everything that was great about the original and (greatly) improved the graphics and controls. For those who say the 3DS is underpowered, play Star Fox 64 3D. Parts of it look as good or better than an Xbox game.

    They also made some of the dialogue (I'm looking at you, Slippy) less irritating than the original.
     
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  4. GodofHardcore

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    Should Miyazaki retire? NOPE (and he DOES seem a bit bat shit crazy)

    Miyamoto should craft games until the day he dies. Like he drops dead working on Super Mario 5ds or something
     
  5. HCK

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    Nintendo used to be an innovator, now they are a recycler. At least they're good for the earth.

    But let's take a look at some of Miyamoto's recent work...

    Wii Sing...
    Wii Fit...
    Steel Diver...

    And my personal favorite thing about him was something he said in an interview "When I come up with an idea, I don't know if it will be for Mario or Zelda." But that doesn't surprise me... Mario and Zelda have largely become the same things:

    Mario: Spin attack = Link: Spin Attack
    Mario: Little pieces of life = Link: Little life hearts
    Mario: Navigates worlds solving puzzles that involve him sneaking, climbing, fighting, and jumping from platform to platform. = Link: Navigates worlds solving puzzles that involve him sneaking, climbing, fighting, and jumping from platform to platform
    Mario: finish all the side quests to get all the stars, or shines, or buttplugs. Link = Finish all the side quest to get all the bugs, arrows, fish, or buttplugs.

    Their lastest, popular ideas have not been good for gaming... they haven't push forward for anything, and they haven't even tried to rekindle the past. They've middled. Instead of trying to become better, they simply tried to make the most money. So how is it that people fly off the handle at companies like Bandai and their DLC, or Square and the crap they pull with FF, but when Nintendo drops trow and waves their willy at everyone, people at like they're genius savants?
     
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    la-li-lu-le-lo ラリルレロ

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    Parallax-barrier 3D technology in a handheld gaming device is not recycled technology. Say what you will about the pros and cons of 3D, but the technology is pretty new.

    Also, I'd argue it's better to recycle (and improve) good games than to pump out new, crappy ones every 2 days.
     
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  7. HCK

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    In Japan, I saw the tech for N's 3D in cell phones before 3DS hit. I saw it on TVs before 3DS hit. But when I tales about recycling, I meant games.

    But for the sake of argument, would you be happy if Nintendo just dropped everything and announced that all the 3DS first party games would be recycled, refined N64 games? That and overpriced re-releases of Game Boy games. Everyone good with that? Because that's that's what I'm hearing from people...

    "Wohoo! paid $150 for a portable machine that I can play original game boy games and remakes of older stuff on!"

    How would you feel if this was the 16-bit era and most of Nintendo's releases for the Super were just remakes of their 8-bit games? People would have had a fit! So I don't see why it's OK now that they do the same exact thing. It blows my mind.
     
  8. ASSEMbler

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    They just need to make a powerful machine instead of these used parts shitboxes they have been kicking out the door.
     
  9. GodofHardcore

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    I wish Nintendo would just go 3rd party but that will never happen
     
  10. HCK

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    Yes! I would love for Nintendo to be on top of their game again!
     
  11. GodofHardcore

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    I miss the nintendo I grew up with. I started playing Yoshi's Island a month or so ago when was the last time Nintendo made a game that good?
     
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    ^This.:nod:
     
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    It's because they stopped innovating and started recycling. After the PSX hit, it was like Nintendo decided that the only way to play it was safe.
     
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    I'd be perfectly fine with that, actually. Star Fox 64 3D was basically the overriding reason for me to buy a 3DS. But it's a moot point anyway; they are going to release (and have already released) original games for the 3DS.

    Anyway, how is wanting to play a remake of an N64 game on the 3DS different than wanting to play it on an N64? The only difference I can see is that, on the 3DS, it has better graphics and is portable. Would you argue that if a game is old, you should never play it again?
     
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    No, but I would argue that re-releases should 1) Be released at a discounted price, and 2) A new system SHOULD NOT be dependent on nostalgia to sell.

    I like the idea of freshening up old IPs. But Nintendo is starting to become reliant on cashing in on nostalgia. That is a bad thing. I think the Virtual Console is great. I think it makes sense that you should have been able to transfer your VC titles to your DS (uses same media format (SD Card)). But Nintendo would never do that... why? Because they have a plan to resell as many of the same version of the same game to the same people over and over. That's bad.
     
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    But you know people are creaming themselves over these remakes not me I want something new but others are
     
  17. Airfare

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    i think nintendo should try designing a phone to compete with apples itunes i believe nintendo will be on top of the gaming market again perhaps 3d gaming on a phone with quad cores clocking at 433mhz...:thumbsup:
     
  18. Yakumo

    Yakumo Pillar of the Community *****

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    Nintendo could NEVER be a software only company like Sega because they hardly make any games. Most of their so called 1st party games are produced by 3rd party developers. Sega do make many games, some great some shit but the fact is that they are a big game developer where as Nintendo aren't.

    yakumo
     
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  19. A. Snow

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    I have to disagree Yakumo. Dropping consoles would clear up a lot of resources they pour into game development. It might take some time but they could transition to it.

    I agree with ASSEMbler though, Having a weak system when the majority of developer games are meant to be multiplatform is already a strike against them. Who wants to spend the extra money overhauling a port for a weak system (if it's even possible) when the returns might be marginal a best?
     
  20. sayin999

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    I have to agree with yakumo to an extent, look how long it took to make the ocarina of time and other zelda and mario games. Nintendo can not crank out games as fast as companies like capcom or sega could. In fact considering oot put such a strain on nintendo, you have to wonder if they could even handle making a game like shenmue.
     
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