NRA, Firearms, And Michael Moore (spillover from PA Thread)

I moved all relevant posts over here to keep us from taking the Propeller Arena thread offtopic. Discuss away!!
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Contrary to popular belief and the image that our nation's actions may present, we're not all gun-happy lunatics here, and $15 is hardly enough to start a decent fistfight, much less be a matter of firearms. :smt019 :smt019

 

haha prop arena on ebay £25 hours to go.... reported got canceled! :smt033

 

I'm gutted how wrong this has all gone. This has damaged the prospects of any future releases. In theory this sort of was a good idea. However, I didn't contribute, cos I forsaw this happening, sort of (not to this extent tho).

Inevitably the game was gonna be released on IRC/torrent as soon as it could be. And we were supposed to be 'donating' cash for a copy of the game. Even though we never get to even see the damn original GDR, even though were paying for it. Not good. Hmmmm.

So what happens if another unreleased game is offered for sale either here or EvilBay? I reckon we should do it as an ASSEMbler forums release. Keep everything between us lot. We would have to work out what happens to the original GDR after tho. If someone wants it for collecting purposes, they buy if for a mutually agreed price. Otherwise, off to Ebay it goes. And moneys get refunded for the original cost of the GDR.

This forum seems a nice friendly place. Eveyone seems to buy/sell stuff and get on well. Surely we can trust eachother enough to not mess up another DC release.?

 

As friendly as we are we all seem to like/dislike a group of people there are always peeps we dont get on with. So working out who has a say or not is hard! :smt043

I think it shuld all be worked between TWO people... one to buy one to rip. If anyone else has to get involved they should NEVER be given the cd image...

 

Yeah good plan. If we did come accross an unreleased game between now and Xmas, I would be willing to put in upto £500/$1000. I would probably get my hands on a BBA then as well. I have the ripping software.

But yeah, no one else gets the ISO. No one else needs it, unless there are selfboot or security problems. Only when the backup is multiregional selfboot (with PAL 60hz), and the original has been sold and I/we have my/our cash back do the backups get released, ordered via somewhere less blatant (mIRC, anyone). And only then for a set fee to cover postage, blank CDr and covers. so about £5 then.

I want as many of the unreleased DC games as possible to be shared. We need to prove we can do this properly and professionally, no messing around. Then hopefully, other ppl with GDRs will trust us to rip and release them.

 

Sorry Greatsaintlouis, I didn't mean to say the whole nation are gun happy freaks. I'm sure that you don't own a gun yourself. Just that I was watching "Bowling for Columbine" (Spell?) the other day. It really shocked me at how f*cked in the head some of those people who support guns really are. Their reasons for owning one made no sense what so ever. And that Charlton Hesston has got to be one of the worst examples of a human being. Days after a killing he appears in the town of the incident to promote the use of arms. What an insensitive tw*t he is.

Look at me rambling on again. :smt009 If I offended anyone I'm truly sorry. rayer:

Yakumo

 

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You dont remember the pictures of him in his army outfit... and the guns!!! :snipe:

 

great movie

That movie was one of Michael Moore's best. Can't wait for Farenhight 9/11. But don't worry yakumo, not all americans are like that(remember how he pointed out how the media makes it bigger). Even then the real question in the end was why us americans live in fear. It was some funny ass stuff though. :smt043

 

dont buy what that movie says at all michal more is a duche bag and makes fake claims and such tons of the stuff in that movie was faked and lies http://revoketheoscar.com/

 

Not to take this topic too far off, but no Yakumo, I wasn't offended or anything, just mildly amused, as we can sadly give off the impression that America is a bunch of gun-crazy nuts. I totally agree that Charlton Heston and his organization, the National Rifle Association are a bunch of nut rednecks who are completely misinterpreting our nation's Second Amendment. :smt011

As far as the gun thing goes, a lot of rural Americans do own guns for a variety of legal reasons - pest control around ranches, target shooting, or hunting. Despite what the NRA may claim, fully automatic military rifles and other high powered weapons are neither useful, nor nessicary for this kindof work. I myself own three guns, two of which are low calibur and suitable only for pest control (ground squirrels) and target practice, and one a hunting rifle that I haven't used in years, which I'd take legally hunting big game (deer and bear) with my dad. And yes, we are the type of people to eat the meat and not just take trophies - deer steak is some pretty good stuff. :smt023

And I've never seen anything by Michael Moore, but as much as I am not at all a fan of my country's current leadership, from what I've heard a lot of his stuff is really over the top and out there - sortof a bleeding-heart liberal meets tinfoil hat brigade...

So hopefully that clears things up a little bit, and we now return to the regularly scheduled topic.

Lostuse, weren't you one of the guys on the warez team for Propeller Arena?

 

more or less

 

I'm a member of the NRA....I'm not a psycho though...I just joined so as to not lose the right to carry..I agree that the assault type weapons aren't needed but cursing isn't necessary and its still protected by the constitution...I just don't want it to open a gateway to taking away other rights such as the posession of small arms....I'm scared of any revisions that take away rights of Americans. just my opinion...but if people were killed by rocks we wouldn't blame the rocks but rather jail those who used them improperly and maybe educate people as to how to use them...(kinda like we deal with guns)....it starts with education not gun control... :snipe:

 

agreed.

Micheal Moore's movies aren't bad, a bit funny they are too! Made to critisize American behaviour, so it's really interesting to watch, if you are citizen of the US.

But here in Germoney they are BIG hits, so everyone sees them and starts hatin' the USA... :smt011 Same with other European countries, I guess... :smt019 The hype is nothin' but propaganda by our government(s)...
We (especially Germoney, aka Germoney Union, aka EU) should really take care of ourselfs - The last wars we initiated (Afghanistan and especially against the last European socialistic country Jugoslavia) were fought in our interest... and the ppl living here really are as f*ckin' retarded as they are shown in the foreign media... so what!?


Chris

 

No offense to you Kstyle on the NRA thing - I know there can be some good members, but for the most part the organization is VERY out there. If you want to make sure we don't lose our perfectly legal rights to use reasonable weapons (and by reasonable I mean things used for hunting or target practice) there are far better ways to do it than by being a member of the NRA. This is the same organization that starts screaming "Second Amendment Violation!!" every time someone mentions things like "gun control" or "gun registration", and they grossly misinterpret the Second Amendment as meaning something along the lines of "every citizen in the US should be allowed to stockpile a small arsenal of weapons that any terrorist group would be proud to own." All that things like "gun control" aim to do is make it harder for unscrupulous individuals to get their hands on firearms - it isn't taking away a single right of legitimate citizens. Yeah, you might have to wait a few weeks and have a background check, but isn't that a small price to pay for making guns less accessable to people who would misuse them? And since all firearms in America should be used for are hunting and target/competition events, the wait to purchase a new weapon shouldn't be a problem if one plans ahead, right? I'm sorry to go off like this, but I've seen so much incorrect propaganda from the NRA that it's not even funny some of the things they suggest the big, bad government is trying to do.

If you really want to educate, might I suggest joining a local firearms safety/hunter safety organization that attempts to teach the youth safe handling and usage techniques, instead of being a part of an organization that is ignored by many Americans because of it's extreme far right stance and misinformative history. Again, my apologies for any offense, but this is a large issue in my background of growing up, and there are a lot of people who too easily buy into the propaganda spread by the NRA.

 

We need Bullet Control. Not Gun Control. Make the Bullet cost $5k. That will get rid of innocent by-standers in shootings. I got that from Chris Rocks stand up comedy. That gig was funny.


Anyway, its all about education but f*** it all, something will happen that will change things.

Soon........

 

I just don't get it. :smt009

Why do americans need the right to carry a gun what the hell does the average american need it for.
If your a farmer or a cop or a soldier i can understand it but if you don't need a gun for your work/profession then you shouldn't be alllowed to have one.

The truth is People who have a gun will eventuelly use it, and use it they do.
The averge thug in a gang has more firepower then a soldier thats just insaine.

Get rid of thats blasted amendment that you have the right to carry a gun, it will save countless lives, but nooooo the powerful gun lobbies don't want to see all their power and money gone they'd rather see people being killed and shot everyday.

No wonder most of the world thinks the americans are a bunch or retards (not all of em but most are a bunch of scared naive retards)

 

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I will give you the answer to why america is this way. One is american pride, two is the whole "I have a right" makes an american citizen feel they need to excersise that right to be a true american, and if you take this away they feel that the government is being controlling and corrupt (also this right is not suppose to be taken away due to legal documents). three the attitude "im not gonna change for anybody". But hey, i'm happy i live in a country where michael moore's movies are allowed to be shown and I have the right to complain about all the problems around me including protesting for a change or speaking bad about the current president (who I think is the worst we've had). I wish america was a bit better in alot of aspects, but i can't really complain. Altough I hear parts of europe are nice, wouldnt mind visting some of it ( or canada and japan while im at it). But please don't think that every single american is like this, I'm just explaing why alot of them feel that way. Not to go off subject but what parts of europe are good to visit?

 

sayin999: Agreed. One of the most wonderful things about living here is that we're completely free to complain about anything and everything, and if we don't like things, we are able to attempt to change things by going through the proper channels.

Silverbolt: I'm sorry to say this, but I think it's obvious that you've never spent time in any part of rural America. For one thing, this country was founded on the strength of what can really be considered an extended militia, and our second amendment reflects that, and ensures that every American is allowed to own reasonable firearms. I take a lot of offense both to the statements "if you don't need a gun for your work/profession then you shouldn't be alllowed to have one" and "The truth is People who have a gun will eventuelly use it, and use it they do". I say this with a lot of respect, but I don't think you are qualified to make statements like that. I grew up living in a very small rural community, and firearms are nearly a way of life there. Ranchers would have to deal with wayward coyotes attempting to take calves in the spring, or the occasional cougar than can (and does) venture too close to their house. My family, as well as many of the other families I know, see hunting as a significant activity, both as recreation, and as a cheap way to get quality food. I don't hunt anymore, as blood makes me fairly squeamish and I hated having to skin and clean animals, but my father and brother hunt a lot together - duck hunting in the winter, deer and elk hunting in the fall, bear hunting in the spring. It is also a family activity, a bonding time. And just today, I was out with a few of my friends shooting rifles at targets. It is a fun activity, a fun way to pass the time, and I can say that of all the people I've known who own guns, none have used them against another human being or in a fashion destructive towards humanity. The statement you made pretty much accuses anyone here who owns a gun to be a criminal waiting to happen - including me, my mother, my father, and my brother.

The problem here is not guns - the adage, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" applies perfectly. Cars kill people too, but yet there aren't people complaining about banning cars in such a large scale. Firearms, like anything else, are tools that can be used for good OR for evil, but it all depends on the intent of the person using it. There is no reason for guns to be banned, but the problem here is regulation and education - it is far too easy for guns to get into the wrong hands, and too few Americans are instructed on how to properly and safely handle firearms. THAT is the root of the issue, not the guns themselves, but the people that use them.

I tried not to sound fanatical here, but I'm thinking I failed miserably, which is odd in the reason that this is not an issue currently that I really am affected by or care about, as the use of firearms isn't something that really figures into my life as a regular occurrance. However, as I have illustrated, Americans are very passionate about this right we have to use firearms, and again, it is an integral part of our heritage. I was just a little offended at reading your post when I don't think you're aware just what an important issue this is for us here. And if the rest of the world thinks us Americans are scared naieve retards, then I am truely sorry and ashamed. However, it is an opinion that could very well be brought about through ignorance on others' parts about America as well, and the willingness to lump nearly 300 million people of all different beliefs and backgrounds into those three small words - scared naieve retards. There's a bit of English colloquial that applies to this - "Bad form."

 

The problem now is that you wont ever be able to get rid of all the guns in public hands in America.... So to try and do anything is silly cos either way it will be a huge task and cost a shit load...

 

I am sorry if i offended you GSL this was not my intention, i was merely giving my oppinion about how i see the situation from my part of the world.

But lets be honest amerca is the only counrty as far as i know that has an amendment for the right to have firearms, and there are more gun related deaths in america then anywhere else in the world.

Just take a look at bowling before columbine, where he goes just accros the border to canada where also a lot of people have guns but nearly no gun related deaths, and homes with the doors unlocked.

Try finding that in amerca, most americans are soooo scared and paranoid thanks to the media that they will use their guns and end up (accidentely) killing people.
Now i am aggain not saying everbody is a criminal waiting to be born but people who are scared will sometimes do stupid things.

I'm not saying everbody with a gun is an idiot and shooting game isn't bad either (as long as it's not endangoured).
It's just that with a big part of the americans being as paranoid as they have become, allowing them to have guns is just verry dangerous and i still think that only people who need them, say farmers, rancher cops etc.. should have them if only to protect people from themselves (aggain this does not apply to all amercans but imho a big part of them).