NRA, Firearms, And Michael Moore (spillover from PA Thread)

Well in that case ban everything that promotes violence like British football fans...

 

:smt043 That is so true. Being in a soccergame is like being in a battlefield. Stupid drunk people.

Anyway, total ban wont work. Why? The Prohibition didn't work and thanks to that we have the mafia. Do you want to have the mob controlling the gun trade?? They already do but their business will surely go up if such a ban is enacted.

 

Alcy is 100% right. I'm not saying that it'll work now, but look at the stats. The fewer the guns, the less gunshot wounds there are. There's no denying this. If you don't have a pen, you can't write.

The other point he's right on: Guns are made to take life, nothing more. If they were meant to preserve life, then they'd only use salt rock or rubber bullets. "But what about target practice?!" WTF are you practicing for? Hunting? Animals have lives too.

 

Guns are not made for one purpose: killing something. I've shot thousands of rounds. I've never killed a single thing with those rounds either. By your statement though I should be a mass murderer.

The gun doesn't do the killing either. It is an inanimate object. It's not going to go off on it's own looking for someone to kill. In the end it takes a persons free will to choose to use that gun to take a life.

Your drunken fight equation is faulty as well because you assume that the person you fight in the US wants to kill you while the person in the UK wants to just kick your ass. It all depends on what the person chooses to do. If the person in the UK made the conscience choice to kill you then he is going to try be it with a gun or a knife or a broken pool stick. All that a gun does in this equation is add a different choice. In the end it depends on the choices person makes.

Michael Moore didn't just embellish the truth a little. He flat out manipulated and distorted the major facts. That is not truth. That is propaganda. All that is really left is his opinions. If you agree with his opinions that is one thing. That is not the same as the truth though.

 

Err.... except it really isn't. That statement is so completely asinine that I'm almost thinking it was a joke. Had you ever been in the company of people who have an honest respect for firearms and the love of their safe and legal uses, you wouldn't have even thought of something ao stupid. I may be out goofing around with friends shooting at old cans or plastic jugs, but every one of us handles our firearms in a manner that would make it almost impossible, except under some extreme circumstance, for even an accidental death or injury to take place, and many people who have a genuine liking for this hobby act likewise. That's not really the sort of thing killers in waiting do, now is it? I'm all for reasonable discussion of this topic, but let's try to keep bullshit posts based on total ignorance to a minimum, shall we?

And on the car vs. gun issue, there's really no difference. Guns are indeed meant for the taking of life, however, this does not mean that as soon as a gun enters the grasp of a human being that that's what it's for. Cars are certianly capable as well of either the accidental or intentional taking of life, and it all depends on how the item is used. As A.Snow pointed out, some people can have used a gun for nearly their whole lives and never kill anything. It all depends on the use. The whole, "well, if there wasn't a gun it never would have happened" is a total copout that takes the responsibility off of the person who committed the crime and puts it on the implement used to commit the crime. If a person has murder in their heart, they will commit the act regardless if the available tool is a gun, a icepick, or a tennis shoe.

That is so true, from that I can see that you totally spent a lot of time in the US and went to one or more of our world famous "drunken bar brawl turned shootout"s. Man, they are such a blast - you should have seen the one the other night, some crazy fuck brought a rocket propelled grenade with him and by the time the night was over, the whole goddamn BLOCK was a blazing inferno!! It was so awesome!! But yeah, since I live in America and am able to legally own a gun, I totally go out every Friday night to a local bar with my dual .45s strapped to my hip and an AK-47 slung over my back. It's so tense, I'm just WAITING for some crazy mutha to open his stupid mouth so I can pop a cap in him and then shoot the bartender just for good measure. And I'll be all like, "WHAT NOW, DAWG!!! YO' ASS JUST GOT SHOT, AND YOU'S BLEEDIN EVERYWHERE!!! WHO DA MAN G??? WHO YO DADDY, FOO!!" and about that time I gotta hit da floor, yo, cause every other gangsta in the place is gonna open fire with THEIR arsenal!!

.......... Seriously, did you honestly think at all before you wrote this, or did you type this while watching some cowboy or gangster movie? I mean, I knew we looked pretty goofy in the eyes of foreign countries, but this is ridiculous. I mean, I could talk about how AntiPasta and Silverbolt both live in windmills with tulips around them and wear wooden shoes, (no offense guys, just a goofy example) and I'd get bitched out for not knowing what the hell I'm talking about and using stupid national stereotypes, but I don't see why people insist on using this "Americans are a bunch of whacked out, trigger happy psychos" like it's God's own truth.

I'll bitch about it!! Marijuana control doesn't work in the US because nobody gives a damn about it, the shit might as well be legal. I see blatant marijuana-related imagery paraded around daily, and police don't do anything about it. I hardly doubt the guy hanging around the campus bookstore wearing a t-shirt with a big cannabis leaf on it and bothering people to sign a petition to legalize marijuana doesn't smoke the stuff. And what about those pipe shops that sell glass "tobacco pipes" that anybody with an IQ over 20 can see are really a bong. I can't say I've ever seen someone smoke tobacco in a swirly, psychadelic glass pipe. Marijuana however... So marijuana control doesn't work here because there is no control. If there were better control and less public and legal tolerance for the drug, then things might work better. But I digress, please don't let this veer things too far offtopic....

 

ROTFLMAO.... :smt043

You should look into getting a shotgun for when you go to the bar Greatsaintlouis. You can knock down more patrons that way. :smt040

 

Yeah, but it just doesn't seem as sporting as trying to pick them off with individual bullets. I like giving them a chance to run, if you know what I mean...

 

First of all I'm pretty liberal, I’m for environmentalism and pro-green. I live in one of the most progressive areas of the world but being somewhat educated, I take Michael Moore’s propaganda with a grain of salt. He is completely overrated and if you've seen all of his movies, you'll find that they all spill into each other because he never resolves anything. Instead of proving something outright through deep philosophical issues, he chooses to propagate by taking clips out of context and just basically put down everyone.

I personally don't have any issues with responsible people owning guns, its just sad that such lowlifes can go into a sporting good store, fill out an order and 3 days later pick up their gun, no background check required, just a license which can be purchased illicitly. I think the gun issue is more relevant to different demographics living in different places than others. I live adjacent to Oakland, the city with the most murders annually WORLD WIDE but I'm not afraid to walk down the street at 12am.

 

I'm not trying to be a hardass here. I'm just trying to make the laws clear. Every person that buys a gun from a licensed dealer (private sales are different) a rifle or handgun must go through a background check. Also it depends on which state you live in if there is a waiting period. Of course how well the background checks work is up for debate.