Ok, I've just about had it!

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  1. Mr. Casual

    Mr. Casual Champion of the Forum

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    Me and my mom used to be on DSL, and we both couldnt be on at the same time. We were using the same ol' white LAN cable we are using right now to get online at the same time. We upgraded our connection to Cable, and we both can get on the internet at the same time as well as Xbox LIVE!, where last time only 1 could be on at a time. :happyhap: BUT now on our new connection, XBL is running a little slower, and certain sites we used to frequent when we were on DSL won't open! :angry

    These sites include
    Google---Works sometimes, but VERY seldom.
    Vgmuseum---Doesnt work for me at all, but I can get there from other computers.
    And many more Wont open/Take ages to load.

    Can anyone provide any help on this? Im wondering if having 2 computers and the Xbox on the same Cable is causing all this stupid shit.
    Thanks
     
  2. mairsil

    mairsil Officer at Arms

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    Are you using automatically obtained DNS servers, or are you still using the old server IP's? Some ISP's don't like people other than their own customers to use their DNS servers. How do your traceroutes look to those sites compared with a working site?
     
  3. Mr. Casual

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    Im not sure what ISP we are using. I will have to ask my mom. Um, I don't know what a traceroute is, you need to elaborate for me, please.
     
  4. Mr. Casual

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    </script><table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4><tr><td nowrap><font size=-1><b>Web</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=1a class=q href="/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s" onClick="return qs(this);">Images</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=2a class=q href="http://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=wg&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s" onClick="return qs(this);">Groups</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a id=4a class=q href="http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s" onClick="return qs(this);">News</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><table cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=100%><tr><td nowrap><input type=hidden name=client value="firefox-a"><input type=hidden name=rls value="org.mozilla:en-US:official_s"><input type=hidden name=hl value=en><input id=sf maxLength=256 name=q value="" size=50><br><input type=submit value="Google Search" name=btnG></td><td valign=top nowrap><font size=-2>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=/advanced_search?hl=en>Advanced Search</a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=/preferences?hl=en>Preferences</a><br>&nbsp;</font></td><td>&nbsp;</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td><td bgcolor="#b0b0b0"><img src="/images/firefox/clear.gif" height=1 width=1></td><td><img src="/images/firefox/clear.gif" height=1 width=19></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td><table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td valign=top><img src="/images/firefox/footer1.gif" height="34" width="48"></td><td style="background: url(/images/firefox/footer2.gif) repeat-x;" width=100%>&nbsp;</td><td valign=top><img src="/images/firefox/footer3.gif" height="34" width="497"></td><td><img src="/images/firefox/clear.gif" height=1 width=19></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td><table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 width="100%"><tr><td><br><table cellpadding="4" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tr><td> <img src="/images/firefox/light.gif" alt width="40" height="50"> </td><td> <font size="-1">Over 100 <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/add-engines.html">search engines</a> can be installed into the Firefox search bar for quick access to your favorite search engines.</font> </td></tr></table> <br> <table cellpadding="4" border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr> <td align="center" nowrap><font size="-1"><a href="http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html">Firefox Help &amp; Add-ons</a></font></td> <td align="center" nowrap><font size="-1"><a href="http://www.mozilla.org/about/">About Mozilla</a></font></td> <td align="center" nowrap><font size="-1"><a href="http://store.mozilla.org/">CDs &amp; Merchandise</a></font></td> <td align="center" nowrap><font size="-1"><a href="http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/">Get Involved</a></font></td> </tr></table></td><td><img src="/images/firefox/clear.gif" height=1 width=19></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></form></center></body></html>

    Here is Google WHEN it works.

    Code:
    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><title></title></head><body></body></html>
    And when it doesnt.

    Hope this helps...
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2005
  5. mairsil

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    A traceroute basically pings every server in the path between your computer and the target computer. Open up a DOS prompt and type:

    tracert www.google.com

    The information that follows it is a set of times and the intermediate server being tested. For a broadband connection, most of your times should be around 25ms or less (even 50 is ok sometimes). You should be able to tell where the problem is by looking at the times.

    Something that you might want to do is take a look at www.broadbandreports.com. They have a LOT of information on broadband (cable/DSL) connections and how to troubleshoot them.
     
  6. Mr. Casual

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    This is what I got with the traceroute.

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    Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
    (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
    
    C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Owner>tracert [url]www.google.com[/url]
    
    Tracing route to [url]www.l.google.com[/url] [64.233.187.104]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      8     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      9     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     10     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     16     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     18     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     19     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     20     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     21     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     22     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     23     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     24     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     25     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     26     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     27     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     28     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     29     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     30     *        *        *     Request timed out.
    
    Trace complete.
    
    C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Owner>
     
  7. the_steadster

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    I'd say its your DNS settings then. Not certain how you would find the correct ones with a cable connection, but try typing 192.168.0.1 into your browser. Thats often where routers and modems hide themselves.
     
  8. LeGIt

    LeGIt I'm a cunt or so I'm told :P

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    I can reasonably guarantee it will be your DNS settings - if you're not sure on what you're new ISP's DNS settings are it should be possible to find it on their site or customer service line - pop them in and it should work a treat, bearing in mind you'll need to put the DNS settings into the router and not your PC. Having a DSL router shoudln't really affect cable at all, but if it's been badly it made maybe it could :eek:
     
  9. Primergy

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    LeGit is right... doesnt look like a DNS problem - anyway:
    You should be able to change the DNS-Server in your modem-console. Accessing it, like Steadster said. If its not 192.168.0.1 have a look in the manual or post what modem you have.

    DNS-FAQ

    Free DNS-Servers for testing: (write down your old DNS-adress - just in case)
    195.20.105.149 (found via google - no guarantee)
    213.133.115.5 (found via google - no guarantee)
    212.6.64.161 (located in Germany, Im using it with my Linux-router)

    Do you actually have a router?! Or just a hub/switch and a cable-modem?
     
  10. the_steadster

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    Also, make sure in your TCP/IP settings you are set to automatically detect DNS settings - do this by:
    Control Panel
    network connections
    Right click your LAN connection (the one you are using with the internet)
    select "properties"
    In the box in the centre of the screen, click"internet Protocol (TCP/IP)"
    Then Click properties below the box
    Select to obtain IP address automatically, and to obtain DNS settings automatically

    That *Might* Solve your problem.Although, if the problem is the modem not using the right DNS settings, it won't.

    Note that my instructions are for XP with the normal style control panel (none of that silly grouping rubbish) But should be similar enough for other versions. If you can't find it I'll do a screenshot of the important screen you are looking for.

    EDIT: Also, XBL will probably be a bit slower with multiple computers. Even when you don't think you're using them, they are still sending traffic now and then. Also different types of connections have different amounts of laggy-ness.
     
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  11. Mr. Casual

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    We have a Linksys Router and an Allegiance.tv cable modem both hooked up.
     
  12. dj898

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    does your cable knows you are using router?
    I set my router spoof one of my PC MAC address...
    apparently ours charges extra fee if more than one person is online even though it's broadband for god sake... :p
     
  13. Evangelion-01

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    aren't all isp crappy in australia? i've read lots of crap about them.
     
  14. Zilog Jones

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    They're probably not as bad as here. With my ADSL I get 1Mb/s download but only 128k upload! -_-
     
  15. dj898

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    can't comment on BigPond which is carried by our fat boy Telstra.
    my house is wired with cable only so I have Optus cable as well as telephone...

    when I called Telstra about connecting to their phone service I was told I will need to fork out A$495 to bring the cable from the street to my house - about 5-7 meters... o_O
    naturally my home is Telstra free...

    the cable isn't too bad though not as good as my old man's summer house in Seoul.
    He reckons it's better than his home in Osaka...
     
  16. Mr. Casual

    Mr. Casual Champion of the Forum

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    Mystery Solved? I tried the DNS stuff with no luck. Saturday, some guy came over to install a new dishwasher, and my mom flipped the breakers to the house. When the power came back, all the sites that didnt work, WORK!

    :happyhap:

    Would anyone care to explain?
     
  17. Borman

    Borman Digital Games Curator

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    Probably reset the IP address and stuff, clearing out the old information.
     
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