Wow, Late to the party on this one but I just finally tried a few PS1 games on my new 40" TV (in 1080p) and shockingly, Pure 3d games don't look like total ass. I actually expected the worse. Here is a few I tried so far... Bloody Roar 2: Actually looks pretty damn good Dead or Alive: Also looks pretty good Vagrant Story: Sadly looks like pixelated ass. =( I have my PS3 downloading some of my PS1 games I purchased from PSN to see how those hold up. Currious to see how Rayman 2 (sure n64 version is better but ps1 version might not be so bad in 1080p) & Tekken 2 hold up. I have handful of others dl (I don't archive them on my ps3 due to me being to lazy to get a bigger HDD, it's a 20GB model). Anybody have any other games they've tried out in 1080p that actually look better not worse? Maybe tomorrow i'll get a few screens to show what i got.
The other day I was playing Digimon Rumble Arena under emulation via PC, Surprisingly it looked really good in HD, the only thing crappy was the Text and the 2D stuff like you mentioned. I've tried differen't filters, but they look odd.
Just wait till PCSX is fully ported to PS3 EDIT: Here's the source code if anyone wants to check it out ;-)
I play my PSN-PSone games in 720p. My shitty TV only supports upto 1080i, but if I add that as an option then the games will not boot I tried a few on the PS3 and they don't look half bad, though because of the controls I can't play Metal Gear Solid Well on the PSP with having to shift+ for the R2/L2 etc so realistically it is only playable on the PS3 anyway. Also I prefer to play analog stick games on the Ps3 - not because of dual sticks, but because I find the PSP stick to be utter crap, thogh it may be because I'm used to the longer, smoother one off the pad I'll SS a couple with my crappy PSP camera and edit my post 1 sec The main problem is the games are showing their age now. I no longer own a PSone + original discs of these games so I cannot provide an accurate comparison to the past. Memories of the past are diffrnt also too, a sback then th graphics were the most amazing seen at the time and of course by now we know better, so it is hard not to judge them by todays standards. Future COP LAPD looks the roughest of all my games I think. It is still playable but probably actually lost something in the upscaling as the txtures are a bit eugh. Metal gear Solid looks as snazzy as ever. Maybe as Snazzy as Bleemcast! but not as Snazzy as GameCube's twin Snakes, which would be an unrealistic expectation. Final Fantasy VII was of course designed to be blocky and Final Fantasy VIII was of course slightly more realistic. I think they have both benfited from upscaling and definitly look better, though my PSP camera will not articulate this effectively Whether the effect is carried over from 26" @ 720p to 108-p remains to be seen, but I expect Future Cop LAPD will continue to look worse and the remainder continue to look better. If anything don't forget now with HDMI the signal transmission is more efficient (less loss) so that alone is bound to have minor benfits over old school composite.
Why? There really isn't a need other then adding in filters (which really don't add much in many games). Some hackers probably going to crack the Sony PS1 emu instead and open it up for running your own backups much like on the PSP and that will be the end to PCSX on PS3. I'd say MGS is not playable on PSP more due to the fact you can't bind the analog stick to the PS1 stick. I played through the game up till the final fight with MG and really the L2/R2 were not a big bother since you can custom bind the controls in the ps1 emu for psp. What did suck was getting annoyed at the lack of analog controls when it mattered.
hehe subbie I did the bind, but the problem is I can't react like I used to and I'm confused more easily so it probably doesn't help. My main hate of the PSP stick is it is quite painful for me to use (my digits fracture easily) and also it is harder for me to be accurate with. When I remote play PixelJunk Shooter, the craft moves too fast and is hard for me to control with PSP stick. When I play pixeljunk Shooter with DualShock 3, I have no issues stomping through the levels. It could be more of a problem with me than the stick. I don't hate the fact the PSP only has one stick, I hate the fact the one stick it does have is crap Though yeah 2 sticks are always nicer. Added pics and relative comments for you above
You'll find that running any high resolution PS1 game in 1080p will look good. One of my TV's (the Toshiba) will actually run retro consoles in 1080p if you want it to. High resolution Saturn games look fantastic such as Dead or Alive, VF2, Anarchy in the Nippon, Zero Divide Final Conflict and so on. Even medium resolution titles look ok. Low resolution games really look like ass though. I mean really bad. So for them you need to set the TV to standard mode.
My ex is having fun discovering that her new 23.6" 1080p display only has DVI-D, VGA and HDMI and that she can't use her GameCube, PS2 or combo DVD/VCR on it due to them all having composite cables. She likes my suggestion of using a universal composite->vga box but I keep telling her it will look like diarrhea on Plexiglas but doesn't seem to realize I'm being dead serious. Emulation seems to overcome all of these problems and then adding eye candy. Good thing I have a PSX dexdrive about to move my saves around.
I've found most games will look good on an HDTV if it's an HD source. MM9 and 10 for example on 360 look pretty nice. Upscaling is fine provided the signal isn't altered. It's just once you through that fucking composite cable or S Video cable that things start to look...well shitty. So like a PS1 (either via disc or DLC) is being ran digitally, upscaled via the hardware digitially, and then output digitially? Well, shit can look god damn nice. a proper upscaler deinterlacer and things can look damn nice. The best one I've seen is on a NuVision LED...a 55" will set you back 6-7 grand depending if you want the 120hz or 240hz version. The other option is digital signage, a commercial grade HDTV.
Having an emulator will greatly benefit subbie. As you can add things like Anti-aliasing and changing the game's internal resolutions. Ehrgeiz @ 1600x900 at the internal resolution of the game scaled. Nothing done. Ehrgeiz @ 1600x900 + Very high internal resolution + Texture filtering
I love the way it improves things. Instead of blurring the stripes on the trunks so that they bleed into each other on a pixel by pixel basis they look far more like actual stripes. Basic anti-aliasing on an otherwise non-anti-aliased console always helps. Hell the PS2 rarely featured anti-aliasing because of the performance hit. I believe the Dreamcast used it quite a bit and I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft didn't mandate 2xAA or 4xAA on most titles. I was trying to convince my ex tonight that getting a PS3 and crossing her fingers for a GameCube (and proper PS2 emulator) would delegate the original consoles to closet storage. Thing is there isn't a way to move save files from the GameCube (easily and cheaply at least) or most any other console. Dexdrives exist for the Playstation and N64 and you can use software to copy saves off VMUs for the DC. Then comes the requirement for adapters to use original controllers as I don't know about the rest of you but the XBox controller is about the best thing for N64 emulators short of usb adapters. A proper D-pad is tantamount to playing SNES and Genesis/MD titles properly but hell if the 360's doesn't leave infinitely much to be desired. Thankfully the PS3 controller covers the PS1/2 perfectly as well as the NES/SNES/GBA pretty well. Could do a reasonable job at the XBox but I'm 100% a Duke fan without a single controller S to be found.
PS1 on PS3 is 100% emulation. -edit- Sure it doesn't give you access to fancy options but it's still pure emulation. As for PCSX vs Sony emu. People are lazy and like having their ps1 games on display in the xmb. It will take someone 1/2 days to probably hack open the sony ps1 emu where PCSX will take a few weeks/month to get all sorted out. Doesn't look that way in the version i'm using. It's not doing a seller job upresing textures but for polygons it's definitely doing it's job.
Little bit off topic, but I recently played SNES games the PS3 jb emulator (full screen) and it actually looks very good! didn't expect that on 1080p! I'll try and make a pic next time.
I misspoke what I mean but *shrug*. The point is, PC emulators do a vastly superior job of upscaling PS1 games compared to high resolutions. I've played PS1 games on PS3 @1080p on a 47" set and they don't look nearly as good as using ePsxe IMO. Some games like Legend of Legaia upscaled properly on Epsxe look nearly like dreamcast games
Calm your soul Vosse I don't think Subbie is saying PC emulation is shit. he is just saying that in many instances the emulation/upscaling is convenient on PS3 and emulation produces a better quality image in some cases and worse in others, but which are the better cases for upscaling. By better case this doesn't mean PC emu Isn't better than PS3 emu, but which games benefit the most from the upscaling and which look like dogshit. I have Vagrant Story also but I didn't really play it much yet, too many games too cheaply and didn't try them all properly. Also I reached the file attachment limit so didn't bother trying to capture it. I'll try my outstanding games now and edit with more 720p pics. I never really played Final Fantasy IX. When reading about it, despite a love of VII and VIII back in the day IX didn't seem that appealing. I haven't even played it beyond th first few screens since I got it off PSN, but I only got it as an oddity I may consider playing at some point. The background images look prtty good but the textures on the character models look pretty dire though. Vagrant Story is another game I've never played but looked appealing but I picked it up anyway. As Subbie mentioned it looks kinda crappy. The background txtures are not bad I guess but the character looks like a mess. I also have James Pond: RoboCod (only bought it because it was on offer, then remembered why I didn't buy it full price - it is shit) and Bishi Bashi Special on the reccomendation of retro... which I don't play because the aggressive bishing and bashing fractures the bones in my fingers... more annoyingly Sony refuse to refund it even though I cnanot realistically enjoy it wihtout physical injury. Anyhow they are both late 2D games so probably age better than early 3D games. I took pics anyway though for your viewing pleasure... though I WTB larger file attachment limit Again pictures taken with PSP-450 attachment on PSP-3000, so the crappyness of the camera will blur the image and make the games look better than what they are =/
I played Einhänder and Thunderforce V at 720p on my rather mediocre PC the other day, and both look awesome. Mess with the shaders. PCSX or ePSXe wil both give you great options to make stuff look good.
PS1 emulation will always be better on PC because you have the option to insanely increase the resolution. Let's check what the PS1 used to output +-------+--------------------+-------------------+ | Mode | Resolution (H x V) | Scan | +-------+--------------------+-------------------+ | 0 | 256 x 240 | | | 1 | 320 x 240 | Non-Interlaced | | 2 | 512 x 240 | | | 3 | 640 x 240 | | +-------+--------------------+-------------------+ | 4 | 256 x 480 | | | 5 | 320 x 480 | Interlaced | | 6 | 512 x 480 | | | 7 | 640 x 480 | | +-------+--------------------+-------------------+ This was then stretched to the CRT TV making it a bit less jaggy. On the PC, you can output whatever resolution you want, like 1600x1200! Plus the emulators on the PC can add powerfull texture filtering, screen filtering and even pixel shaders. Example: Gran Turismo 2 runs originally at 320x240 (if i'm not wrong) on PS1. Here it's running at 1024x768 on epsxe, with heavy texture filtering and pixel shaders: More info on pixel shaders: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sony...hics-with-the-best-epsxe-plugin-settings.html http://forums.ngemu.com/psx-plugin-...ides-custom-shaders-petes-opengl2-plugin.html http://snesorama.us/board/showthread.php?t=29276 I bet the PS1 emulator on PS3 just runs the game on it's native resolution, again 320x240 for example, then add some simple texture filtering and then the GPU upscales it to whatever resolution the PS3 is set. What might help the end result is that depending on the texture filtering used, the GPU upscale might blur the jaggies and look like the game is being anti-aliased.
Where can you get more shaders/filters for PCSX? I've got PCSX(linux/mac) but I haven't been able to find the filters and shaders online! I have an idea for a project but I want to mess around with the software first. I've got a Mac Mini Server connected to my 32" Sony LCD TV and would love to mess around with the Shader's and filters but don't know where to find them online. @Vosse - DUDE thats an amazing improvement!!! Where did you get the plugin-s to do that or was that built-in to emulator? Thanks Disjaukifa
