PS2.NET Announced (Similar to PSN/XBL)

Ss4gogeta0 · Apr 15, 2016

Punch said: ↑

did the custom MGO server code get leaked or something?
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DecoderRing said: ↑

You confused me a little, I think you're referring to Ss4gogeta0? I don't know anything about MGO's server code, sorry xP'
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the MGO source was released a while ago

Jack. · Apr 15, 2016

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Okay, fine. I got hyped for like... nothing. Is this real?
Now that i think about it, Burnout 3 should've had some remote server code, I don't think client-client connection is feasible, let alone "patching" it to enable online play. If this is real I'd expect someone from this team to come up with a good website and wiki that talks about the underlying technology.

Ss4gogeta0 · Apr 15, 2016

someone on TIZ gave me a heads up about a recent FB post they released on the Page that is "working" on PS2.NET

according to the post, the project is indeed real, it goes into a bit of detail about it. and Camjam/Cammers/whatever is disavowed by the team as being wrong or whatever.

Sarij (TIZ) said:

The link to the facebook page classyskeleton gave us posted this about 4 hours ago concerning PS2.NET and more:

We would just like to clarify a few things that we are constantly asked. Think of this as a FAQ, in light of the recent problems with a few of our employees revealing a little bit "too much" information.
1. PS2NET is in fact a real project, being worked on by our team who a few of us have former development experience with these network components. HOWEVER, lets get some things in line. PS2NET does *not* support cross game chat, achievements, psp support, dlc, etc. Whatever you may have heard from our rouge employees on forums, we can safely say they are NOT true. PS2NET is ONLY a middle-ware solution for PS2 similar to GameSpy that LAN games as well as titles we have network files for can connect using. As we stated before, the four supported titles are:
- My Street
- The Sims Bustin Out
- Cold Winter
- Burnout 3: Takedown
Additionally, this is NTSC-UC ONLY and will NOT be available elsewhere. We simply do not have the network experience or files to get these games working with copies of games from other regions. There is nothing we can do about this.
Several forums, such as Assembler Games, OBSRV and FreeSO were trolled with incorrect information. We sincerely apologize for this. The person who did this is our marketing director and was not given correct information. This is only partially his fault. This person (who shall not be named) has a bad past with several forums for trolling, harassment and other childish topics. However, we know him personally and he is different. He did not intend for this to get out of control. We apologize for his actions and it will not happen again. PS2NET is going completely private until we are ready to reveal more information, and that will not be until around late summer, to early fall. No exceptions.
2. As for Sations: Sations is still being developed, despite the PS2NET project. Sations, as before, will launch on PC, Wii U, Vita and Dreamcast. The game uses Unity3D for the major versions, while the Dreamcast version uses a lite custom built game engine that can run on the console. Sations is still a fixed angle, pre rendered background, survival horror game, similar to Capcoms Resident Evil. This project will launch in Fall 2017.
3. We mentioned a platformer video game. This game has been put on hold while we get some development priorities straight. This game has NOT started coding or initial development and has only gotten into concept. There is no guarantee it will ever be finished.
4. There is some confusion as to how we run our locations. There are TWO locations for MintCookie Games, and we collaborate via Skype and remote desktop tools. Location A is in Ashland, PA, while Location B is in Grand Rapids, MI. Location A has 8 employees, and Location B has 6 employees. Everybody but two employees have prior experience in the game industry dating back to 1989. The other two are both students, one who has shadowed employees from Insomniac Games, and has also worked with Boxer8 with the Ouya console line. While the other has experience only with indie development on Steam Greenlight and Itch.
5. Finally, there is another issue that we want to clear up. It came to our attention that our marketing director, who we mentioned prior, was accused of trying to steal the Resident Evil Outbreak online networking components developed by the team over at OBSRV. This is absolutely unacceptable and will not happen. Regardless of if he tried to or not, we will not support it and will take full measures to help prevent it.
Thank you so much for reading and we apologize for any confusion. There was alot of misconception, lies, deceit and other problems that occurred in the last week and we hope this will clear up any problems.
- Janice Ziegler, Founder
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https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1543285362634902&id=1493169710979801

DecoderRing · May 6, 2016

Sorry man but this still isn't real.

I have a ton of free time at the moment, so I'll just gather some proof. Let's end this whole thing now. I'm writing up a massive post to show clearly this guy's worryingly convincing public fantasies. The community deserves better than this. Read on if you're interested; otherwise, just be ready to assume this is all totally fake.

My free time and a cup of coffee said:

So, the above excuse message has an interesting way of acknowledging and apologising for their 'marketing director's' constant lies through the years, i.e. not at all. It gets even more interesting when they mention the attempted theft of the REO stuff. 'Regardless of if he tried to or not, we will not support it'.

This sounds like anything but a well-structured and reputable company, so I want to look deeper.

https://mintcookiegames.itch.io/sations
This website, which I'm sure is Mr Rogers', is classic resource-free game development fantasy. It announces a game, and its system requirements. Much like the 'screenshot' of the 'server screen' thingy for this project, it's an announcement with all the fun parts included but nothing of substance.

Humourously, the apparent release date is Mr. Rogers' birthday.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mintcookiegames/sations-the-legacy
This one's takes it to a new level. Now he's asking for money for the game--the one that, according to the site above, should've been released by the time this Kickstarter was started.

Incidentally, $1000 is the same amount that he tried to offer me for the prototype I own. While I would have declined regardless, I certainly wouldn't have received anything from the guy. You'll see.

I did notice however that the Kickstarter does have screenshots, and I can't say what they are from. They may well be one of his projects. If this is true then it's talent sadly wasted on his constant deception and lack of trustworthiness.

However, my first suspicion was that perhaps the shots were from the original 1995 game, Sations. But wait--does that game even exist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.236.220.213
Yes, or at least according to the edits made by this knowledgable person, made around the time this fantasy started.
(to mods: wasn't sure if I should post this since it contains an IP, but it's the only way to identify this user on Wiki, which has already published the address publicly anyway)

Still, I'm somehow dissatisfied, so I search a little deeper.

https://stashgames.wordpress.com/2016/04/10/how-sations-will-attempt-to-bring-back-classic-horror/
(by this guy: https://stashgames.wordpress.com/about/)
Here's an 'article', written by some guy called Cameron Rogers. It briefly discusses the aforementioned game (which doesn't exist) and how MintCookie games, with its history on Ouya (which doesn't exist), got the IP from Taptu Games (which doesn't exist).

http://wpedia.goo.ne.jp/enwiki/MintCookie_Games
Speaking of things that don't exist, this page teaches us about http://www.mintcookiegames.com/, a site with no domain history whatsoever.

And that was once a Wiki page, which didn't last long. We can all guess who made it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/MintCookie_Games

http://sations.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Startmenuisgone
Okay, one more last-ditch effort to find that game, this time with feeling! Here's a Wiki dedicated to it, managed by this person, 'Felisity Under'. I had actually recognised the alias 'startmenuisgone' from betaarchive, and already believed it to be an alternate identity for Mr. Rogers. But I couldn't find any real evidence IIRC. I got lucky this time though:

https://web.archive.org/web/2016041...cebook.com/stashstores/posts/1419086518346018
"Felisity"'s comment on Stash Stores, a fictional webstore created by you-know-who. The only comment, at that. If you look deeper you'll find that it's just an empty Resident Evil forum owned by him, but tbh that's not even necessary research, as the 'article' I mentioned earlier was hosted on the Stash Stores blog site.

But a puzzle remains: why did Google give me this result, when the name on that page is clearly 'Felisity Elnsske', not 'Felisity Under' like it was on Wikia?

https://www.facebook.com/felisity.under/activity/485273071651492?comment_tracking={"tn":"O"}
Ah, here we go. Looks like the surname was changed at some point. This URL demonstrates the disparity.

https://www.facebook.com/Sations-146402792385129/
It's worth mentioning that every time Mr. Rogers says he is in contact with a well-known person, such as a Resident Evil actor or an Insomniac team member, he never mentions their name. You'll see this here as well, in reference to a Resident Evil 'actor/actress'. Indeed he's at least smart enough to avoid exposing himself at the word a real, contactable person.

And so all of a sudden, MintCookieGames (and the vast array of other fictional companies this guy has dedicated the time to make up) is looking a lot less legit in general.
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But this is nothing new.

My free time and a cup of coffee also said:

http://imgur.com/StITq1v (my recent response to Mr. Rogers' statement that he is not any of the people that are about to show up in abundance here)
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/spyro-5-cancelled-check-six-title.57788/ (hoax, posing as Check Six dev)
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/spyro-5-cancelled-check-six-title.57788/page-3#post-832617 (another member's account of Mr. Rogers' reputation in the TR community)
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/spyro-5-cancelled-check-six-title.57788/page-3#post-832641 (cammers1995, when he was 21 in late 2015, and stating that he is in fact ccrogers, admtting he's a troll, while defending himself right on schedule. P.S., as of 2015, 1995 was 20 years ago.)
http://www.ps2onlinegaming.com/foru...77a834b02626adf1c65a18b1177c5&start=10#p12361 (cammers1995, when he was 23 in early 2016, and stating that he is in fact not ccrogers, admitting he's a troll, while defending himself right on schedule. P.S., as of 2016, 1995 was 21 years ago.)
http://spyro.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Aura24/2013_Spyro_Game_Rumor_False (older hoax exposure, with one of his older fictional companies)
http://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=390590#p390590 (promoting his videos as 'ccrogers15'. This is also where he claims to have had trouble re: a Croc beta. This means I may have been wrong earlier; it either never happened, or he's actually telling the truth for once. Odds 50/50.)
http://forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=78737 (post #8, promoting his videos as 'spyrobeta', a few days later. Alt. name due to previous forum ban)
http://forum.darkspyro.net/spyro/viewposts.php?topic=64389 (minor hacking hoax as 'spyrobeta')
http://www.spyroforum.com/viewtopic.php?pid=394842#p394842 (him 'exposing' himself as incorrect/a liar, kinda like he did today)
http://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=27021 (him trying to gather peer pressure on me re: a beta I own, as 'startmenuisgone')
http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?51029-HOW-did-he-get-the-BETA (ditto, as 'cameronchadwickrogers' on the same day, which is how I originally noticed they were the same person)
https://www.unseen64.net/2012/12/29/croc-3-stone-of-the-gobbos-cancelled-psx-ps2-xbox-gamecube/ (exposed Croc 3 hoax, but sadly I've forgotten how I verified that the source was Mr. Rogers)
https://www.unseen64.net/2013/05/01/spyro-tech-demo-2001-cancelled-ps2/ (ditto, although this one has a comment from him explaining how totally real it is, on the day it was posted)
http://spyro.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ccrogers15 (some insight on his ways, from the man himself as well as others who are as p'd off with him as I am. He justifies it in his own way: it's just 'playing around', it's okay to lie constantly, I mean nobody would have missed that $1000 in the fundraiser, right? This was indeed four years ago now, but times haven't changed much.)
https://www.unseen64.net/2012/11/27/obscure-d-cancelled-xbox-360-ps3-pc/ (a hoax that takes advantage of a shutdown studio to create a story about a cancelled game. His imaginary company Otipro is back and used as leverage. A commenter on this page has already called him out on this; only for him to deny it, stating that the commenter 'will regret it'.)
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1543285362634902&id=1493169710979801&comment_id=1543285942634844&comment_tracking={"tn":"R0"} (Hey, it's "Felisity"--what a coincidence!--posting on Mr. Rogers' imaginary company's page. This time 'she' has Cerfied Foreign(tm) English, a noticeable degredation compared to 'her' last messages, including under the name of 'startmenuisgone'. But perhaps no-one will notice this.)
https://web.archive.org/web/2016041...cebook.com/stashstores/posts/1419086518346018 (Just as a reminder, 'she' was also a fan of this older imaginary company, back when 'she' was decidedly Not Foreign(tm).)

That's some history on the guy, courtesy of various sources.

Just as a reminder and also for fellow Googlers, this is ccrogers, ccrogers15, cameronchadwickrogers, camjam1995, camjam95, cammers95, cammers1995, rogerscameron, stashgames-cameron, cameroncr5, newvegas, ResidentEvilOutbreak, towgers, spyrobeta, startmenuisgone, Felisity Under, Janice Ziegler, Dan Capman, and more; of MintCookie Games, Otipro Software, Stash Games, and probably more.
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I'd like to add that since I started intervening here, Mr. Rogers renamed and privatised his Steam profile, which is no sign of innocence. People like Mr. Rogers worry me, but I suspect this will never amount to anything more than internet drama, despite the possibility that Mr. Rogers may well find real trouble in the future, judging by his Kickstarter effort.

On a final note, I want to apologise to the admins for raising this fuss on their forum despite my lack of contribution over the years. I'm socially anxious and am more of a lurker by nature. Game development, hacking and betas which have all been a huge passion of mine since I was a kid, and I just don't want to see this guy, or anyone else, deceiving the community with made-up history and retro projects. Meanwhile, -real- history and hacks crop up regularly here, and I love reading about it.

But fakers gonna fake I guess. Sorry to crush the excitement =(

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waffling · Apr 15, 2016

I've lurked here for years and finally signed up just to say thank you DecoderRing - you have done some incredible work here.

sp193 · Apr 15, 2016

It makes me feel happy, when I get to know that there are still some people here who still understand the technical details of what goes into a project, enough to tell a fake from a plausible project. Especially a PlayStation 2 project.

Not to mention that your debunking so far has been very detailed and well-supported.

Greg2600 · Apr 16, 2016

I think modern console (XBOX/PS2 and up) "homebrew" online gaming that mimics the original is a fantasy. Beyond the technological and legal hurdles, will you EVER get enough people online to play the games you'd like?

speedyink · Apr 16, 2016

No way, me and my friend were playing Burnout 3 yesterday and commenting how on one of the loading screens it mentioned online play. He asked if we could still play online, and I said "No, probably not". But alas, I was wrong! I've never played that game online, would be cool to try!

DecoderRing · Apr 17, 2016

waffling said: ↑

I've lurked here for years and finally signed up just to say thank you DecoderRing - you have done some incredible work here.
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sp193 said: ↑

It makes me feel happy, when I get to know that there are still some people here who still understand the technical details of what goes into a project, enough to tell a fake from a plausible project. Especially a PlayStation 2 project.

Not to mention that your debunking so far has been very detailed and well-supported.
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Aw shucks, thank y'all.

Greg2600 said: ↑

I think modern console (XBOX/PS2 and up) "homebrew" online gaming that mimics the original is a fantasy. Beyond the technological and legal hurdles, will you EVER get enough people online to play the games you'd like?
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This. Also just the fact that no-one with the skill would really want to do so much work for such little reward. Multiplayer games need players after all!

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By the way, if any of you are on these affected forums and can help nip this in the bud, please do, and post a link to my last post(s) if it helps. Thing is, Mr. Rogers is the kind of person who doesn't stop until he realises no-one's listening and gets bored (a reminder, yes, this guy is in fact 21 years old, and has been doing this for years). Naturally he's still defending himself, and making up stories about him and his boss, etc, and even 'Felisity' is back, with newly broken English this time, because 'she' is legit foreign now, etc.

This is fine and all, but if he's going keep this fantasy up I'd rather we leave him to enjoy it by himself with his alteregos. It sucks seeing this guy walking around leaving a trail of disappointed faces behind him.

RaZiel · Apr 19, 2016

DecoderRing said: ↑

Sorry man but this still isn't real.

I have a ton of free time at the moment, so I'll just gather some proof. Let's end this whole thing now. I'm writing up a massive post to show clearly this guy's worryingly convincing public fantasies. The community deserves better than this. Read on if you're interested; otherwise, just be ready to assume this is all totally fake.

But this is nothing new.

I'd like to add that since I started intervening here, Mr. Rogers renamed and privatised his Steam profile, which is no sign of innocence. People like Mr. Rogers worry me, but I suspect this will never amount to anything more than internet drama, despite the possibility that Mr. Rogers may well find real trouble in the future, judging by his Kickstarter effort.

On a final note, I want to apologise to the admins for raising this fuss on their forum despite my lack of contribution over the years. I'm socially anxious and am more of a lurker by nature. Game development, hacking and betas which have all been a huge passion of mine since I was a kid, and I just don't want to see this guy, or anyone else, deceiving the community with made-up history and retro projects. Meanwhile, -real- history and hacks crop up regularly here, and I love reading about it.

But fakers gonna fake I guess. Sorry to crush the excitement =(
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You sir would make an AMAZING private eye!! Your google-fu is the strongest I have ever seen and I am blown away. Bravo old chap, bravo!!

peri-peri · Jul 14, 2016

If anyone still cares, thought you might find this funny.
https://www.facebook.com/MintCookie-Games-1493169710979801/

Coming Soon: A lawsuit near you. Watch out, Assembler Games Forums!
‪#‎shotsfiredback‬

- Janice
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Unfortunately, MintCookie Games has been shuttered, with our work force laid off.

We are selling our domain name as well. The Sations IP was transferred to Focus Home Interactive. PS2NET has been cancelled. The source code for PS2NET will be released only if a former staff member decides to, but we will not be pressured to do so. We had really hoped we could do something cool and release a horror title as well as bring you our unified PS2 online service, but things happened, forums spammed us, our former marketing director stabbed us in the back, we lost our publisher and funding, and that was it! No money = No Jobs.

We own our domain, as well as two IP's we acquired. (one horror, one platformer). Let us know if you are interested in picking these up.

Thank you for your support.
- - Janice Ziegler, Founder
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Punch · Jul 14, 2016

I'm guessing 14 years old.

We own our domain, as well as two IP's we acquired. Let us know if you are interested in picking these up.
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Ain't giving up of scamming/trolling someone, that's for sure.

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