PS2 NTSC fix for PAL consoles (and viceversa)

First of all,this was posted first on psx-scene.com,but I thought I should share it with you,so here it is!

As we all know,PAL PS2s will play NTSC games in B/W on old TVs like Blaupunkt Toledo IL32 (unless they're multisys)and viceversa,all of this without a RGB cable.
Attached down is a image that shows you the colour mod.I tried my best to show what you need to do,hope the image does its job.

 

^^ can't account for the second half (don't have an NTSC-x unit) but the first, i have to say is..disagreeable.
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i have three PAL-EUR units, (none otherwise) and they have NO issues outputting in FULL colours via CVBS (composite) and s-video (supervid) NO SWEAT!
never tried with an RGB (peritel) cable so, can't comment on it.
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it's also down to two things...(aside what the thread is about)
1, crap cable..but unlikely?
2, the tv support. i gave away a crt that supported NTSC-X input on channel CVBS no problem, ALL colours are shown!
(even if the powergrid flicker is a bit much)
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method of playback for the NTSC-X roms was from the internal hdd, NEVER from the optical drive. (i could be wrong but i can't see how that would effect playback/display?!)
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so to recap, i've PLAYED USA/JPN roms from the PAL-EUR ps2 on a PAL-EUR screen using CVBS and NOTHING more.
nowadays, it's all hidef (Y.Pb.Pr.) and easier on the eyes, FREE from tumors and cancers!
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on occasion, i fire up the the second PAL ps2. that has hddboot on it for the purposes of overseas test, all okay!
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should've said first time, but thanks for the share, could be useful to those who can't get a good screen for support sake!

 

That because your TV must be either multisystem (I think)so it easily handles NTSC,or it has RGB over the CVBS ports.(I have one like that in my kitchen,it's a medium sized Platinum 14N08)

1 is unlikely for me,as I use the official composite cable.(the only PS cable I have since the PS1 days)
For 2,I have a Magnum TV 5520 VT CRT television (made in Germany,woohoo!)that is PAL-B/G ONLY,and NTSC shows in B/W on it.Only PAL60 works with colors on it,and this mod does the trick for me,because the SCART plug I have (one end it has SCART,the other has the usual Yellow/White/Red plugs)misses the RGB pins,thus not being RGB at all.
Also,my TV tuner on the PC is PAL,and it's just ANNOYING to change between PAL and NTSC when trying to boot a US game,while this mod makes it waay easier,as everything that was true NTSC is now PAL60.

Yes,but as I said your TV is either multisystem or it has RGB done on the CVBS ports,like my Platinum TV has.(yes,the brand is Platinum)

Am I the only fan of discs and USB and not of HDDs and SMB?

Well,hope that other people that have the same problem as me (NTSC games showing up in black and white on PAL console)will find this thread and will try the mod so they can play their US/JAP imports in color.

 

To be fair, you did say:

A PAL PS2 is perfectly capable of playing NTSC games in colour. The issue is the TV, not the console. Hence what you said isnt correct and was amiga1200's point

 

I noticed in both your post and amiga1200's post you cut this:

And again,my SCART plug is NOT RGB at all (RGB pins missing).
This mod also works if you have a PAL CRT TV that DOES NOT support NTSC (it comes up in B/W)but supports PAL60,assuming that the screen doesn't roll (for that,I think old TVs have some adjusting knobs so you could adjust H sync or something like that)

 

thanks @ Bad_Ad84.
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@ NeC5552. that's why i amended the response, PLEASE check my final [edit] on it, thanks! :cocksure:
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RGB IS scart/peritel...

 

Hmm.....mine seems to not be RGB at all.
Most pins are missing from my SCART plug (named "VMC-91) (pins missing are 5,7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15)and the only pins connected are 1,2,3,4,6,8,16,17,18,19,20 and of course 21 which is the shield iirc.
Here's a picture of the pins.(pic not mine)

 

^^ if the colours of the phono/RCA sockets on that scart converter is 'RED, YELLOW and WHITE' that's NOT scart but CVBS/s-video.
that converter is merely a gender-bender, the scart socket on a good screen supports...
1, CVBS.
2, s-video.
3, Y.U.V. (aka: rgb)
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i'm CERTAIN that item linked above ISN'T a true RGB item...

 

That's because it isn't at all.At first glance you don't notice but pins 7,11 and 15,which are responsible for RGB signals,are missing.
Here's another image of it:

 

^^ thanks for proving my point! (admittedly, i didn't know that EXACT placement of the pins but NOW you're just splitting hairs.)
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no, no, not getting sucked in! (done my part, and highlighted to the globe folks DON'T need to FUCK up their ps2 by adding pcb's into it for the sake of out-of-region displays!

 

What PCB?I haven't heard of needing to install a PCB into a PS2 for out-of-region games.

 

^^ my bad!
what i meant was SOLDER the slag, take it apart!
sorry about that but it's all the same!
adding/changing ANY part of the ps2 interior is the same! (aka: FUCK the internals with CHANGES from the retail standard)

 

Interesting. I can also confirm I have successfully played NTSC games in full colour on my stock PAL PS2 through composite, but yes, I'm sure the TV also supports NTSC (pretty much every TV in PAL-land does, for many many years).

May I suggest perhaps adding a switch would be prudent, rather than just hard soldering the connection? I assume something changes by performing this mod which may want to be turned off?

 

Its perfectly possible to have a composite scart lead. Scart is the connector, it doesnt relate to being RGB at all.

 

I cut it out because it doesnt matter. The fault is with the TV, its perfectly possible to play NTSC games on a PAL PS2 in colour without a mod or RGB. If your TV doesnt support it, you can force the PS2 to output something your TV likes with this mod if you like, it doesnt make it a PS2 issue. Again, saying the PS2 cant output NTSC games in colour on a PAL ps2 is wrong.

 

@ Bad_Ad84.
thanks for clearing it up. (though i've NEVER encountered a socket that DIDN'T handle RGB one way or another)
the ONLY other socket that carried RGB/peritel through it was a 'd-sub' (9pin/rs232) on a japanese megadrive.
the socket was inverted so users didn't plug pads into it!
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anyway, appreciate clarity! :friendly_wink:
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All this mod does is change the NTSC output on PAL PS2s to PAL60 and change the PAL output on NTSC PS2s to NTSC50.And it doesn't require soldering,you just need to push the 2 pins with something until they're shorted together.
Also,I found another picture of the VMC-91 SCART plug,seems some come standalone but some come with a Playstation video cord(pic isn't mine):

The red rectangles are there because there was a company's name and I had to cover it.

 

I did some research and wrote about my findings in his thread: http://psx-scene.com/forums/f20/ps2-v7-pal-colour-mod-122760/index3.html#post1130063

And as all of you know, this mod is only necessary because the OP's TV is old, and doesn't support both NTSC and PAL.

 

Actually,my TV supports PAL-B/G and PAL60 (I don't know if it works with PAL-M,does anybody know any console that can run PAL-M?)but not true NTSC-M/NTSC-M-J.


The mod is useful for some old TVs like the NEI television in the image(pic not mine):

Another use for this mod is if you got a old TV that has only RF antennae but supports PAL60,assuming the TV is made between 1985 and 1990.
Here's a bit about PAL60 from a german Wikipedia page,translated into English:
"Most planned for PAL televisions that were built from the mid-1980s, are also able to play PAL-60."
And the original page for those who know german/deustch and can read the page:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL-60

But in the end,it may be just how you said,that it's just my TV not supporting NTSC.(it supports PAL)

 

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^^ RF?
now that's going back a bit!
still, the above info could prove useful to a particular audience!
thanks! nthego:
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