PS2 NTSC fix for PAL consoles (and viceversa)

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  1. smf

    smf mamedev

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    I would always use a component cable with a ps2, RGB at a push. With CVBS as a last resort.
     
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    NTSC is NTSC. Your TV may support PAL60, but it's just a variation of PAL.

    According to Wikipedia:
    So that means that while it supports PAL60, it doesn't make it more than a PAL-only TV.

    But seriously, if you can, dump composite and go with either component or true SCART. I am not sure whether it is very visible on a CRT TV, but on LCDs, the poor image quality offered by RCA is very obvious. :/
     
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    NeC5552 All your skullz are belong to us.

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    Composite on a CRT TV isn't obivious at all,and I don't use the PS2 on a LCD (unless if it's on my PC TV tuner,but that TV tuner doesn't support RGB at all).
    At least I don't see any problems with composite on a CRT TV.Almost the same for LCD,but that's because I don't pay attention to the problems of it.
     
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    Do you not pay attention to the dot crawl or do you not count it as a problem?
     
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    I just want to say that it's great that the OP pointed out his findings. Perhaps it may not be necessary in all cases, but it's still good to see the details. Thanks :)
     
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    NeC5552 All your skullz are belong to us.

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    On my LCD monitor I hardly notice a bit of dot crawl,and on the TV it's invisible.I am standing at a quite good distance,so maybe that's why I'm not noticing the dot crawl.
     
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    Have you even tried using component? Once you start using component, you will most likely not want to go back to using composite.

    Don't you see that the image isn't ever sharp with composite? Maybe it isn't really noticeable for graphics, but text (especially small and/or those with narrow fonts) are occasionally hard to read. To me, it always looked like low-resolution graphics on a high-resolution screen.

    Although I started off with playing with my SCPH-77006 with a CRT screen back in 2007, I did not have a component cable for it back then. So I never managed to do a comparision of the performance offered by the two cables, on a CRT screen.

    I have, however, seen the difference on a LCD screen and I can say that it is quite obvious. I do remember that I didn't remember that the problems were that bad on the CRT TV.
     
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    ^^ strange you mention it...
    CRT's struggle with the finer details vs LCD, but i'll be the first to admit that CRT is better for a certain kind of image, usually the lower resolutions!
    when using CVBS on an LCD screen, its FAR superior by default...that's before tweaking. it does FAIL at flicker reduction if i force it, CRT doesn't.
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    if gaming on RPG's or games that 101% completion is the goal, a cracked psp-1000 just for text display (guides) and LCD for gaming!
    before i got the psp, the CRT rocked for extremely basic large text.
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    the response above is good advice if you can see it through, better quality of image, less energy used to power screen and ultimately, safer on the eyes.
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    CRT's have a sweet-spot where the image is almost painted on, that's down to the output of the machine and the ONLY piece of tech i have i can stabilise picture to a tee is my old a1200, nothing else! (too much flicker)
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    if op can get s cheap LCD, start with the CVBS cable you have and see the difference, KEEP the CRT for large text/backup reasons!
     
  9. NeC5552

    NeC5552 All your skullz are belong to us.

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    I strangely find it easy to read text on composite.Also,the only PS cables I've found are HDMI,and I don't have any HDMI TV or monitor,so I'm stuck with composite.
     
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    Well, whatever that floats your boat. If composite is good enough for you (although it really isn't as good as component, because of how it is), then stay with it if you cannot see a reason to upgrade.

    There are no HDMI PlayStation AV cables. They have composite, component and a SCART cable, but no HDMI cable was ever made because the AV port's pins are for analog video output. Even for the PlayStation 3, the HDMI connection between the console and TV is done with a generic HDMI cable that connects to a standard HDMI port.

    The AV cable port has been like this since the original PlayStation. The cables are all forward and backward-compatible
     
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    I don't think the component cables work too well on the PS1. I assume the PS3 component cable works on a PS2, I personally use one that came with HDTV player. The software was rubbish but the cable is great.
     
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    ^^ NO Y.Pb.Pr. (component) output on the Ps01.gif , maximum is Y.U.V. (rgb) and backwards
    the multi-out socket on the Ps2_07.gif supports up to Y.Pb.Pr. and backwards.
    multi-out socket on the Ps3_03_60gb.gif or Ps3_2000_01.gif can support the same as HDMI via Y.Pb.Pr. and backwards. (i force HDMI via Y.Pb.Pr because i'm stuck in the past, prefer the cable arrangement and HDMI sockets here are slim, good thing my telly doesn't give a piss, handles it all the same)
    the lowest ALL can support is CVBS!
    ....
    and so can the Xbox360_01.gif and Xbox360s01.gif ... :cocksure:
     
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