PS3 death clock

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  1. Tachikoma

    Tachikoma Officer at Arms

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    I mean you have to turn the TV up to be able to hear the game over the fucking drone of the 360 drive and fans. I swear, the Dreamcast was quieter than the 360.

    So, let me get this straight Retro my lovely, you don't like the PS3 exclusive games, so therefore there are "no games"? I think you mean:

    "IMHO there are no games on the PS3 for me"

    Opinion, not fact. Plenty of people have and enjoy the PS3, as I have said before, if someone doesn't like "Console X" and thinks "Console Y" is better, just let them enjoy it. FFS.
     
  2. PhreQuencYViii

    PhreQuencYViii Champion of the Forum

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    Hard drive installs help with the noise by far, but yeah, it is fucking noisy. I remember when I first hooked it up. I thought it was busted. Same with DC, lol.
     
  3. Parris

    Parris I'm only here to observe...

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    It was well documented that Microsoft allocated $1billion to the recall of the Xbox 360, however this was a figure posted PRIOR to the recall being put into practice and as such I suspect that this is an approximation. I am not sure how much it would cost per unit to ship, replace parts, package up, cost of reshipping and additional cost of customer care staff time. I have returned 7 out of 8 machines! I'm now on my 9th. One had it's warranty sticker peeled off so couldn't go back :-(

    Here is one such post re the $1billion claim: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=590 (which in itself continues the Xbox 360 profitability speculation, but we shall NOT go there lol)

    There is a second hand shop along the road from me that returns on average 15-20 units per month. I know the manager. The local independent retailer in the centre of town has a WALL of fucked Xbox 360s - I literally mean 1 solid wall of units he has accumulated over 8 or 9 months. They no longer repair faulty units or buy them in. They return them on behalf of customers or get customers to do it themselves. I dread to think of what the recall has actually cost and / or what percentage of the early units were actually faulty.

    Microsoft are very guarded (like all manufacturers) about the exact number of units returned and the genuine cost of the recall. When I worked in retail there was a particular manufacturer (whom I shall not name for legal reasons) that all staff joked about. We had an incredibly high return on their units due to poor manufacture. Each week we'd send a pallet of damaged / faulty stock back to the central depot and we could guarantee that the bulk of those units belonged to a specific company. We were almost right every week, plus we knew the most unreliable of the company's stock list and avoided offering them to customers we knew. We really should have considered dropping them, but we made a lot of money from each unit due to low cost price.

    Again, I would like to see something more official, however this was the initial figure released by Microsoft to the press. I would imagine that genuine details would be rather embarrassing and sensitive to their current sales position.

    As for length of post. I appreciate that someone takes the time out to read through my piffle! I like it when someone more direct comes on and encapsulates precisely what I was trying to say in like 1 sentence! I take 30 paragraphs to arrive at the same conclusion lol. :eek:h:
     
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  4. GaijinPunch

    GaijinPunch Lemon Party Organizer and Promoter

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    Does anyone else feel that comparing the PS3 to the 360 is like comparing dog shit to horse shit?
     
  5. Unorthodox

    Unorthodox Barc0de's Pimp

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    OMG UR SUCH A DOG SHIT FANBOI!

    HORSE SHIT PWNS UR DOG SHIT!

    Also my horse shit has exclusive content and horse fly's!
     
  6. PhreQuencYViii

    PhreQuencYViii Champion of the Forum

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    Stop being old!!!! lol.

    And I love that avatar Unorthodox.
     
  7. sh3-rg

    sh3-rg Spirited Member

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    Yes, Nintendo! They're laughing their tits off while the 'big two' fight for a distant second. For me, the ps360 bickering beats even the 'good old' Amiga vs ST wars. Not a perfect comparison, fair enough, but often as dirty & surely just as pointless. You pay your money, you take your choice. Apples & yet more apples. Horses fuck horses (that's how we get little horses). Can't think of a completely suitable cliché right now.

    A lot of the old arguments should have passed to the great flame war in the skies, but still they're regularly regurgitated almost by instinct down in the trenches of the fanboy front line. I think much has changed in recent times to level the playing field between the two consoles. Pricing is probably the only important difference to most people along with the influence of friends & family.

    Neither Microsoft nor Sony will come out of this generation without having learned a harsh lesson or two, but neither company is about to '3do' or exit stage right Sega fashion. Microsoft can afford to do what they like to ensure more & more people see them as the rightful owners of that important little space under the TV, but Sony seem determined to fight them for it... and all the while Nintendo seems to be showing them both that the average person is still quite happy to have an affordable console for simply playing games while they do their other shit with computers & dedicated players.

    But then forums such as this are rarely frequented by today's average gamer (if I even know what an average gamer is these days). It's interesting in a way (ok, probably not that interesting, but hey-ho). Around 13 years or so ago Sony started what Sega & Nintendo were in no danger of doing any time soon by turning gaming mainstream. PlayStation became the generic term for games console & it wasn't just kids stuff any more. Most Sega & Nintendo fans would tell you Sony had brought about a new chavvy, casual era in gaming. Fast forward a few years & Sega can't compete but Nintendo manage to steady the ship (with huge thanks to Pokemon). Then in similar fashion to Sony's arrival, Microsoft enter the arena & help push the gaming experience forward. And now here's the seemingly under-powered Nintendo Wii - many people's vote for a good 2nd console. If PlayStation had brought gaming to a new audience, Nintendo's Wii has somehow slipped in via the back door & made just as big moves into a wider market. Girl-friendly gaming. Granny-friendly gaming! Who could have foreseen that after the mediocre performance of the gamecube? It was brave of Nintendo to take the path to where they are now, they might have lost a few of the old guard, but they've more than made up for it.

    Over the next few years I can see all 3 consoles doing enough. 360 should easily manage to stay ahead of ps3 due to it's head start & pricing. With a substantial price cut ps3 should attract more of the chavvy/yoof types ps & ps2 once attracted before the 360 became their default machine, without that it's going to be slow progress. Wii is an odd one, I wonder where that kind of market will peak? Not much way to tell. There's a lot of machines out there, but I can't help feeling a good number of those owners have really small libraries of games - that's just pure speculation, though.

    Back to the original question. I find horse shit does wonders for the roses, while dog shit tends to just stink up the place with no real benefit, so I think the comparison is unfair. Although Wii could be a sneakly little burried cat turd that Sony & Microsoft thought nothing of until they went out to do a bit of gardening and ended up with stinky fingers. Bah, it's getting late, I'll get me coat.
     
  8. Slade Rahl

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    The PS3 has volume control for music too...if I failed to mention it, the sound quality is actually VERY GOOD. It just starts off louder than other things in the system. Even coming out of SDTV speakers the sound quality is amazing. So I'm not faulting the PS3 on it's sound output at all, it's actually commendable.
     
  9. rupert

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    Well you would think that but (and I know this is only one small example) My dad hasnt bought a gaming machine since the Vic20 (or maybe Spectrum) but I went round the other day and noticed a Wii under the telly.. I was like 'wow, when did you get that!?', he had had it for a few months. I asked what he had for it and he reached down the side of the sofa and started pulling out piles of games, he had like 20+ (mainly good) games. I have new found respect for my father.
     
  10. c_rpg

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    In this case I wouldn't judge Europe as a minority because if you check out the overall sales numbers the difference between the number of sold PS3's is actually almost in Europe's favor.

    <table class="wikitable" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0.5em 1em; float: right;" align="center" border="1"><tbody><tr><td style="background: rgb(242, 242, 242) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; text-align: right;">Canada</td> <td>520,000 as of August 1, 2008<sup id="cite_ref-canadianpress_63-0" class="reference"></sup></td> <td>November 17, 2006</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background: rgb(242, 242, 242) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; text-align: right;">Europe</td> <td>5 million as of May 6, 2008<sup id="cite_ref-PS3EuropeSales_64-0" class="reference"></sup></td> <td>March 23, 2007</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background: rgb(242, 242, 242) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; text-align: right;">Japan</td> <td>2,369,484 as of October 1, 2008<sup id="cite_ref-Japansales_65-0" class="reference"></sup></td> <td>November 11, 2006</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background: rgb(242, 242, 242) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; text-align: right;">United Kingdom</td> <td>1.4 million as of September 2008<sup id="cite_ref-UKsales_66-0" class="reference"></sup></td> <td>March 23, 2007</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="background: rgb(242, 242, 242) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; text-align: right;">United States</td> <td>5.7 million as of November 1, 2008<sup id="cite_ref-USsales_67-0" class="reference"></sup></td> <td>November 17, 2006</td></tr></tbody></table>






    If you combine Europe and the UK and compare it with the US and Canada combined, you'll see that there are actually more PS3's sold over here. So Europe definantly plays a big role in this.

    And if you check again, you'll also see the PS3 was released later here and the sales figures are earlier. The total difference is 11 months for Europe compared to USA (released about 4 months later and sales figures are about 7 months earlier). That's almost an entire year! I'd like to see the recent numbers cause I'm pretty sure the difference is going to be very small.
     
  11. Christer-swe

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    Who I mentioned as being a minority was the parents who gave their eight-year-olds a PS3 simply for thinking the Playstation was the only video games console. And as I said they didn't have a real impact on the market. Why the PS3 is doing so good is for some other reason.

    Proofreading is your friend! :thumbsup:
     
  12. c_rpg

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    Off course I agree that this is not the only reason why PS3 is still doing so well in Europe.

    What I meant to explain was the reason why Playstation is such a big name. All the kids I grew up with had a Playstation console, I was practically the only one who had an N64 instead.

    Now all those people have grown up but that mindstead of 'the Playstation' is still there. You just notice it alot when talking about games to people on the streets.
    The first thing they mention is 'the Playstation' :)pray:).

    I've had conversations with people who were convinced Final Fantasy 7 was the first Final Fantasy ever. And no, they weren't retards.
     
  13. Slade Rahl

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    When I was growing up, everything was "a Nintendo" even my Sega Genesis was haha....but when the Playstation came out, even my mom (who knows next to NOTHING of video games) started calling everything "Playstation" it's weird to think of.

    Just like EVERY handheld game system is automatically a "Gameboy" or something...
     
  14. wildcat

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    I hear ya Parris,

    Microsoft admited publicly July 2007 to the 1 billon doller recall and yes I do agree that numbers would be subject sensitive. They can and have written part of that 1 billon down on there quarterly you know.

    link:http: microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2007/jul07/07-05WarrantyExtentionPR.mspx?rss_fdn=Press%20Releases

    What was the problem with your 360 Parris?

    I don't think it gets better than this? Below

    They also offer to pay for repairs or replacements and I image one most likely could get there money back. I don't think it gets better than that? :icon_bigg

    I found a sale stats source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Canada_sales_figures

    Worldwide sales figures:
    1. Wii – 34.55 million, as of 30 September 2008 (2008 -09-30)<SUP class="plainlinks asof-tag update" style="DISPLAY: none">[update]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-081030e_22-0>[23]</SUP>
    2. Xbox 360 – 25 million, as of 25 November 2008 (2008 -11-25)<SUP class="plainlinks asof-tag update" style="DISPLAY: none">[update]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-23>[24]</SUP>
    3. PlayStation 3 – 16.84 million, as of 30 September 2008 (2008 -09-30)<SUP class="plainlinks asof-tag update" style="DISPLAY: none">[update]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-24>[25]</SUP>
    wars#Canada_sales_figures

    but I was wrongwikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Canada_sales_figures


    thanks for your accurate input Parris!
     
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  15. grahf

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    I think at this point its likely to end up like the Gamecube. Not dead, but significantly dried up towards the end. However in this case perhaps they will still get used as Bluray players. Downloadable content will help it along a bit as well.
     
  16. retro

    retro Resigned from mod duty 15 March 2018

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    Quite, but these stats are produced from certain sources - for example major retailers. They use POS systems which DON'T lie. You understand what I mean? Barcode is scanned, till goes Aha! 1 more sold, that makes 29,741. That report then gets processed. So they're as accurate as they can be. It'll either be from certain large retailers or from the distributors. Both have their problems - the distributors can tell you how many units were sold TO RETAIL OUTLETS, and the retailers can tell you how many THEY sold but not how many were sold by other retailers. So yes, you have to compromise somewhere. If you would like to run around EVERY store in your country and ask them how many Wiis, PS3s etc. they have sold, be my guest!

    What you have to remember is that these statistics companies do it for a living. If your barista can't make a good cup, complain. If enough people complain, he'll get the sack. If enough people complain about statistics (or stop buying them), the whole company would go tits up. So I guess they're pretty good!

    Umm, the stats I gave earlier in the thread?

    Methinks it is the readers of said stats that need to brush up on their skills! ;-)

    I took them (as previously said) from MCV, the UK industry magazine. Pretty much every games shop in the UK will read MCV. It has been around for a great many years, under a different title before. They will be precisely the kind of people who buy statistics, so yes they may well have come from NPN if they weren't from GfK. If it is good enough for MCV (and I know some people who work there), it's good enough for me ;-)
     
  17. wildcat

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    Sounds good retro,

    Wiki buys there stats from NPN, did you notice there statement in the link I provided in my post? I consider Wiki a pretty good place to get infor but at times I still cross reference though .

    Oh by the way retro,

    Employers these days don't care too much about how many complains they get from customers. what they care about is weather there sales volume goes down. So if enough customer boycott a business than they might see the light, but my experiance has been even some of these business owners and managers are pretty dum! meaning they don't even know or care about whats going on till its too late. I believe thats why alot of businesses go out of business and the owners don't even know what happen, I have seen it time and again.:shrug:


    grahf,

    Welcome! I read your post too! true, true!
     
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  18. Eviltaco64

    Eviltaco64 or your money back

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    Honestly I think the Playstation 3 is the best console of this generation. It just does a lot more, and the game library has been getting much better as well. It's been nothing but uphill for the console, and all Sony needs to do now is cut the price down, which I heard they're doing sometime in Spring 2009.

    I dislike the Xbox 360. I sent mine into Microsoft twice before finally fixing it myself, and now that I've repaired it, the fans are even louder! Not to mention the RRoD wasn't my only problem. My first 360 stopped outputting video because that one chip near the fans came loose or some shit, and it would've cost me $98 for them to fix it since my consoles full non-RRoD warranty expired two weeks prior.

    The Wii is a good console, but it's overrated and underpowered. I especially hate it when people call the Wii innovative for the motion sensing controls. It's like those controls make up for the fact that it's an enhanced Gamecube that doesn't even have DVD playback (without homebrew, of course), something that Playstation 2 did in 2000.

    Right now though, I'm planning on building up more of a Saturn, Sega CD, and 32X collection. I still need to get a Saturn, and I will be getting one soon. Add a 4M Action Replay cart and a modchip (and maybe even that MPEG decoder) and you've got yourself a beast of a 32-bit console! :icon_bigg
     
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  19. Midwinter

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    The PS3 feels too western for my taste. Obviously living in the states I can only base this off of feelings because I know the XBOX sells about as well as a bag of horse testicles in Japan. The XBOX feels like a Japanese console and has some cool RPGs and quirky games that I can't seem to find in the limited PS3 library.

    I wasn't a huge fan of the original XBOX - I liked that they brought network gaming even more mainstream than the Dreamcast did for me, but the library was abysmal in my taste. The 360 feels like an ancestor to the Sega hardware line up. It made me start having fun again when I was playing games with achievements and having friends online. Just the whole interface and everything won me over. I get the same feeling with the Wii even though it is Gamecube's baby boy.

    The PS3 I bought on release day (just like every console that comes out) and I watched Blu-Ray movies on it for the next few months. Scratch that - the next few years. That's right I think I've put a couple games in the slot and they were mostly first generation titles using backwards compatibility. Don't get me started on Home. I really wanted to love it.... :love: But ---- :shrug: it did nothing for me.

    As long as the console does good in Japan though - it will continue to live on in all countries. I guess it needs a few more good selling releases like White Knight Chronicles and that could help it out.
     
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  20. retro

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    :lol:

    Someone here has grown up?? We all play video games still, didn't think any of us had! ;-) lol

    I assume you mean Wikipedia - wiki is a generic term meaning a user-editable site, basically. Wikipedia in itself is one huge user-created site. I don't know that any of the information is actually put on there by the company who owns it, let alone them buying stats. So I'd imagine that the stats on Wikipedia are provided by someone who either does subscribe, or read it in a magazine. In short, trusting Wikipedia is just like trusting opinion on this very board - there are some people who know what they're talking about, but you still have to take it with a pinch of salt ;-)

    Which statement did you mean?

    That link about console wars has citations for the sources of the data, 26-30. If you look at them, it shows the sources as The Canadian Press via Yahoo!, GameDaily via AOL, GamesIndustry.biz, Eurogamer and Market for Home Computer and Video Games. THEY are the sources who have bought data from the likes of GfK and NPD.
     
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