Quitting smoking

Personaly you seem to be the biggest morron right now.

You go to a restaurant I DO NOT FORCE YOU TO DRINK MILK. You however DO force ME to breath in your junk!

At the bus stop, outside my university, at my work place, at a restaurant, at a bar just about anywhere you can think.

People should be allowed to smoke but only where they are not harming others.

Sorry care to explain how having a church, mosque or synagogue in your local area is forcing their religion upon you?

 

I'm going to say this as respectfully as possible (and this goes to everyone): don't comment on the supposed psychological dangers of something if there is no medical evidence to back it up. If you smoked one joint and were ruined for life, by all means post your story. If it's a "friend", "friend of a friend", "my dad knew this guy and he told him this...", etc, then keep it to yourself. I've heard all sorts of stories from people who didn't know what they were talking about.

Smoking anything is bad for your lungs, and if you think otherwise, then you're an idiot. If you want to smoke cigarettes, by all means go ahead - I will not stop you. But please don't tell me that smoking one joint will do some psychotic number on me.

 

It could if you had an underlying medical condition you didn't know about, or an allergy to one of the active ingredients, or it was spiked with something you weren't aware of. It's the same as saying "nobody ever died from eating an orange... except for the people allergic to them... and those that choked on them... and..."

You can't say for certain either way.

 

Cause milk has that gaseous property of going all over the restaraunt....oh wait...

Please, you're just grasping, now.

 

Not trying to be a dick here, but are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Do you honestly feel that standing by a smoker at a bus stop once in a while, or encountering them on the street is going to noticably affect your health.Does it smell so bad you can't stand it? I have asthma too, I don't support smoking, but then again I really don't give a shit if someone smokes around me. However, if it is something you can't escape from, like someone you live with that smokes, it is an entirely different story.

Also, you made a point about being able to avoid religion that you don't accept. What do you think is more likely: talking to a person that is smoking, or one that is a different religion than you. Whether you like to admit it or not, you are constantly being exposed to stuff that you don't want to be exposed to. The only difference is smoking is a lot easier to notice than a jew.

 

Jews don't cause cancer.

As for smoking, is it really an enjoyable act? I've never figured that one out. People defend smoking as if it actually gives them pleasure. I can't say i've ever smoked cigarettes, but they smell like shit, i can't imagine they taste any better. Do people really want to smoke? Given the choice between quitting without side effects or cravings and smoking, would you quit?

I have a nasty caffine addiction (i tried to quit drinking Mt. Dew once, and was declared unfit to drive a car.. legally. I was too damn tired.). I have 6 cans of the crap sitting next to me that i've drank in the last 6 hours. Is it good for me, no. Does it hurt anyone else, no.

 

I am sorry, but this is horeseshit. Alcohol is one of the worst things you can put into your body... never mind that it turns you into an asshole that can't drive. All studies/propoganda of weed set aside, there ARE clinical proven studies that alcohol fucks you up. Liver and brain. I still drink though. And you had a friend that got fucked up from one joint? Must've been laced with arsenic, or he already had some prexisting chemical imbalance.

The part about carcionegens is true though. The sad thing is that a lot of those carciongens are man-made. Did you ever see The Insider? How many cases have you heard about people getting marijuana-induced cancer? Like our MexicanGritTasting friend, I've done quite a bit of research on the topic, including some speeches and papers -- often with resources by pro-pot right-wingers (yes, they exist). I'm religous. I believe in God, but I think what people put into their own body is their own choice, regardless of the substance. Jesus turned the water into wine, so presumably wine is okay. Alcohol has far more potent effects on the brain, yet, it's legal. Why wouldn't marijuana be? B/c some politician that likes to kill brown people says so? (If you've not tried both extensively, please don't comment on that last part).

And as for chemicals being used on weed? Homegrown is well-known for being chemical free.

 

Yes it is enjoyable. A ciggerette after dinner or with a beer or coffee is one of my favorite things. The fact I enjoy it is one of the reasons I am having trouble qutting. If it was just a habit then I'd probably have an easier time.

On the whole banning smoking thing. I have no problem walking outside to smoke(I usaully prefer to do so anyway) or moving to a smoking section in a club. I dont expect to be nagged in these areas though. If your sitting in the smoking secion you should expect it and outside, unless I'm blowing the smoke in your face, you're probably getting worse from the car fumes.

 

We have a restaraunt in town that banned smoking on Fridays, because there are so many people there during that time. Either that, or smoking is banned permanently in restaraunts in our area, since I havent seen a smoker in a restaraunt around here in a good while.

 

I can't comment on the underlying psychosis or allergic effects. As far as smoking something that has been laced... that's why you buy it yourself and check it before you smoke . Then again, I've never bought anything from anyone shady, so I wouldn't know.

 

proof?

But seriously, that is besides the point. The point is that we are always exposed to things we don't like. I bet a neo-nazi would be more pissed to find out that their lover was a jew than a smoker; just like a serious asthma patient would be pissed if they found out someone importnat they liked smoked. The point is that different things piss different people off, and the extremes like a serious asthma patient (or neo-nazi) are too distant from the norm to account for. Why should all jews convert to please the neo-nazi? Why should all smokers stop to please the asthmatic?

And before anyone says I am insensitive to cancer, I'd like to say that just because you don't like to encounter smokers during your life time doesnt make you weak, or a pussy, but unless you are constantly around smokers, second hand smoke shouldn't warrant enough concern to have you make them stop. So stop whining you pussies
And for the love of God, don't take that last sentance seriously.

 

Dammit man, have you not read the studies on the dangers of secondhand Catholicism? This is REAL NEWS!

You have gone a very horrible place with this comment. Unfortunately, it is also very funny in its off-color revelry.

 

out of any age old dabates, the ones i always see that never have a firm conclusion

and go on for hours arguing, which is worse, alcholhal or weed, then theres weed vs

cigarets, in my opion issues like this there are many findings and evidince, but in the

end i feel its mostly an individualis thing. As greatsaintlouis said, fighting any

addiction is (sorry if im using the wrong term) will power in a sense, you just gotta

be strong enough to quit it. My friend oddly enough today was in a good mood

happy for the first time without being stoned and balanced and said he didnt feel

like getting ever getting stoned again, of course it was loosing his virginity. So

while thats a bit of a ridiculess example, i feel it somewhat supports the argument

is justifyable by some people saying that their just use to holding a cigarte, its a

psycollogical individual thing. As for whats worse and whats not and what kills you

more, belive me that debate could go on for pages. In the end neither is really

good for you, but again its an individual thing.

 

I would quit everything if just once you hit the enter key in your long ass posts. At least you used punctuation though!
:love:

 

huh? i thought it was double spaced.

 

Taemos: the former friends name is Rune Olsen, so now you got his name. And second of all he is addicted to cannabis. and he isn´t one I have heard from a friend of a friend. No !
He was a friend of mine, and I stopped our friendship, because of things I am not going into here on this board.

GaijinPunch: I don´t think I have said that alcohol is better or worse than cannabis, not directly anyway, of what I know of. I think I have to reexplain what I mean so everybody can understand what I say.

When people say than cannabis isn´t more dangerous than drinking alcohol, I would say yes cannabis is more dangerous than drinking alcohol .
Because if you drink alcohol one time every 3 months (that is really what I do), then I wouldn´t say that cannabis, is easier and more safe, than alcohol. Since I for one good reason, that smoking one joint CAN fuck you up for life !
But I am not saying that alcohol is not bad. But it is legal. Then please read some of the earlier replis of mine in this thread.


And if you all really hate smoking so much, then stay away from Denmark !

We Danes have more serious problems, than just smoking. Like the 12 pictures of Mohammed case !

And even though I am a smoker, I am one of those who asks people, who I am around if they mind, that I smoke. And if one of those tells me that they do mind. Then I won´t smoke. And yes even the politicians in Denmark are fighting against us smokers, but I am tired of being a hunted game again and again ! That is why I don´t like the hetz against smokers.

 

I cant stand the smell. Really really hate it to the point my parents will have to go outside the house to smoke at anytime.

Also everyone should be able to sit in a restaurant or a bar and not be forced to put up with the smell and the health risks. Ive been to my student union bar at university once with my friends and since then ive never been in the two years at univeristy due to the thick smoke in the place.

So what your saying is that Racist people have the same problem as i have with smoke travelling in the air while im sitting at a restaurant?

My point was not that you could avoid a religion. My point was that just because theres a church across the road it does not mean they will be forcing it down you like people who smoke do.

 

You have probably heard of the Hearst conspiracy? That's the reason I believe pot is illegal.

 

My advice for giving up smoking is as follows.

Smoke a pack of ciggies from start to finish, using a pint glass as an ash tray. Don't chuck the butts in there (you can if you want I suppose), just the ash. Once the pack is finished see how much ash is in the pint glass. Nasty stuff.

Now the dodgy part....fill the pint glass up with water, so you have a grey gloppy ashy liquid, then down it as fast as you can. You will be so violently sick its untrue. You will associate the smell of scabby ash/nicotine/fag forever with your unpleasant vomiting, and the thought of another fag ever again will make you feel ill. Sure you'll still have to battle the physical addiction, and to some extent the mental aspect too. You will however never be able to smoke again as the association of extreme vomit to fag ash will be too strong.

Disclaimer - try at your own risk of course, I;m not a doctor so couldn't say if it was a truly bad thing to do to yourself.

 

You're right man.

You must not have a serious case then, because for me cigarette smoke is one of the worst things to trigger my asthma. Shoot, my asthma isn't serious, and I still cannot stand to be around smoke, even just a little.