Rare Hudson Caravan Video online with Hi-Ten Bomberman footage

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  1. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    Wow, nice! Thanks for the picture Kevin:D

    what was the connection type to the HD set? Component? D-terminal or some obscure non-standard digital cable?

    also, how was the console able to push a resolution such as 1035i? Did it render at 517 whole frames per second and the TV padded it to 1035i? (what's the console's maximum resolution as in the specs?)
     
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  2. ASSEMbler

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    They had the 40 inch plasma hi-vision in 1993, and the proto of the higher resolution, they actually had HD Laserdisc in Japan..

    They had weird resolutions due to the iterlacing.

    You needed some incredibly expensive tuner box to use the machine.

    Just search for Hi-Vision.

    Currently they are working on *get this*

    7000P , it's some 7000x4000 image...

    Those crazy Japanese!
     
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  3. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    That's a total waste of resolution for home screens. Researches show that anything above 2000x2000 resolutions aren't noticable by the human eye o_O. (meaning that today's 1920x1080 is more than enough - from personal experience i cant see the difference between 720p and 1080p from 2 meters viewing distance at 90 degrees)

    7.000p would only be useful in a Cinema, but why go through all that trouble when you ve got the perfectly good analog-reel, that saves space, costs less money and can be magnified infinetely?!
     
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  4. babu

    babu Mamihlapinatapai

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    doesn't that depend on the size of the screen? the question is thought if you need a screen that big that you need a resolution larger than 2000 :)
     
  5. Barc0de

    Barc0de Mythical Member from Time Immemorial

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    that's why I said for home screens :) rarely has anyone got anything above 50inches in their house ;)
     
  6. ASSEMbler

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    I'm guessing they are aiming for the whole wall TV.

    Sort of what bill gates already has in his home...
     
  7. Alchy

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    I remember being corrected by Assem on this before ;)

    Yeah, Japan had some really crazy HD laserdisc stuff. All very obscure and unusual standards, naturally enough, given the lack of mass-market economics. A suitable TV itself cost in the region of ten grand if I recall right, and all the peripheral stuff wouldn't be cheap either. Wonder if anyone still has them around. If they were early plasma then they'd probably require frequent (very expensive) servicing to keep them operational and looking good, so probably not; anyone with enough money to buy them in the first place would've moved on anyway, I guess.

    It'd be really interesting to hear from someone who experienced them first hand back in the day, post up if so.
     
  8. ASSEMbler

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    I'm not an expert on it, do some research. That's the best I learned a few years ago with a few hours of google an ieee articles.
     
  9. Baseley09

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    Hi-Vision / Muse Laserdisc was a thoeretical 1125i resolution, tho you dont see that many lines and its in 5:3. I presume the broadcast hidef of the time to use on these screens matched this.

    The MUSE terminal input is not available anymore and need to be transcoded to component video for modern use with such a device...

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-MSC-4000...goryZ381QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Heres some Hivis gumph http://www.laserdiscarchive.co.uk/laserdisc_archive/muse_high_def_ld/Muse_high_def_ld.htm
     
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  10. madhatter256

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    Yep. Plasma TV technology has been in the works since the mid 1980s. I believe that the TV from Total Recall movie was either a mockup plasma TV or the real thing (possibly a prototype they paid out the ass to rent just for that scene).

    It wasn't until 1997 when they became publicly available but they were very expensive up until now.
     
  11. Alchy

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    Actually, plasma displays were invented in the 60s, for PLATO, according to Wikipedia. Which means that some of the earliest gaming could've been on plasma screens, I guess.
     
  12. ASSEMbler

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    well it was one color plasma.. wouldn' be very good except for pong..
     
  13. XxHennersXx

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    wouldn't most of gaming in the 60's have been pong anyway?
     
  14. Alchy

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    There was Space War and bunch of text adventures, in educational insitutes around that time. On mainframes and the like.
     
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  15. GigaDrive

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    thanks for the footage man, Ive always wanted to see this.

    its amazing to me that the Japanese had HDTV in the early 1990s.

    research on HDTV began in the 1960s, continued into the 1970s, and was demonstated in the early 1980 (possibly the late 1970s).


    the next step is UHDV (Ultra High Definition Video) or Super Hi-Vision, which in its current experimental form, provides a resolution of 4320p (7680 × 4320) which is 16 times the resolution of 1080p!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHDV

    Since HDTV took SO long to reach consumers, I don't expect Super Hi-Vision / UHDV / UDTV / etc to reach us for a few decades.

    http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/2007/04/beyond_hdtv_way.html
    I'd don't expect to be gaming at 7680×4320 until Xbox5 and PS6 >_<
     
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    Analogue projection is as bad as VHS. Film cannot be magnified infinitely, you start to see the grains. Which is why different types of still camera film can only be enlarged to certain sizes without a percieved loss of quality. Plus film gets scratched during use, so only the first showing is ever any good.

    I saw Cars on a cinema with digital projection & it was quite amazing ( I think they rented the projector specially ).

    Besides, it's much (much) cheaper to produce dvd's or stream content direct to the projector than to produce reels of film.

    smf
     
  17. GigaDrive

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    back on-topic, any idea what resolution Hi-Ten Bomberman (1993)
    and Hi-Ten KaraBom (1994) used? was it truly HD resolution ?
     
  18. ASSEMbler

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    Anything over standard resolution would be considered high definition.
    We're just spoiled these days with things like 1080p.

    Regulat tv is approximately 480i, and hi-ten would be 1035i.
     
  19. GigaDrive

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    I know Japanese HDTVs were 1125i, and 1035i of that was visible. does that automatically mean though that Hi-Ten was 1035i?

    regardless, Hi-TEN makes the newly revealed Bomberman Live for XBLA look totally pathetic.

    Hi-TEN is one of those games you want so badly but you know it'll never be released.
     
  20. ASSEMbler

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    Hi-ten was to commissioned to showcase the hi-def. They didn't do it without reason..
     
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