Did I just bumped this old thread? I was looking for something else but Assembler and others, any idea's on this?
As this old thread was bumped and brought back, I guess it's technically live again! I presume the Wiki didn't happen, pity. Rather than a Wiki, which is always asking for people to abuse, spam and generally cheapen the work of others; why not make a reference section (like I have on my forum) whereby only a moderator/admin can copy a topic into that section, and the originator can't change it themselves (as would happen if a topic was copied over); as sometimes people get silly and change their postings to spam them, if the topic's content was reposted in a different section then the site would keep all control over the content, content would be vetted, and not spammed. Just a thought.
Peoples posts are their own. They should be able to edit them and you shouldn't take their content without their permission - copyright defaults to the content creator. So if people want to edit their post (due to a falling out with your site and/or staff or what ever other reason) - they should be able to. I have been an admin on large forums - doing what you suggest really isnt in the benefit of the users or the site in the long run. That said, my offer to fix up/port the original wiki still stands - I just never heard anything back from assembler.
Time to make your own database/reference section and link it in your sig or something. At least it will be 100% trusted unlike many random posts on various forums from amateurs.
I could start one, at least if assembler decides to send me the original database at some point, we will already be ready to start. Ill get something up soon and post the info in my sig. It will be authorized accounts only, so will need to PM me to get the edit permissions.
Why don't we just make the wiki uneditable to everyone except a few maintainers who can add pages and information, everyone can write new pages or edits then send it to a maintainer to have it added? I think a wiki would be a good idea for this forum especially for new people like myself.
If people post topics and guides in the knowledge that they could be uploaded to a reference section, and they also get recognition and credit for making such guides (stars, etc) then there is no issue, and actually, it works fine. What it does though is to keep things concise as otherwise you get piles of padding posts that make things hard to find, and loses the impetus of the topic. There actually is no answer for the perfect solution, on one extreme you have an "everyone can edit and add" Wiki, which so often ends up spammed and parts deleted (porn, etc), as by the sound of it happened here; on the plus side, anyone, even those with a grudge can remove and repost stuff. On the other extreme is lockdown and only select people can upload things to a section; and topics given total credit to the originator (of course), and no-one else can edit the posts - that keeps things tidy, uniform, relevant and easy to find; downside is though you can't have some parts of a forum uneditable as if a topic is copied from elsewhere that will update the other locations too, which means you can only have a moderator post and give credit to the originator rather than having the originator's avatar and user name against it too. Like I said, no good and perfect solution, but at least you don't end up with a bastardised Wiki that ends up getting removed as it has got spammed to an inch of its life and got porn all over it. You take your choices! BTW, my site is quite a large one, gets 500+ unique visitors a day, every day; and the consensus generally about the reference section on my forum is that it works fine. Regards copyright, many mods are re-done by different people, every time someone does a certain mod they, and others before them, have "copyright" (not that there is such a thing on the net in reality), as long as they have done the work and taken pics of it; and if the mod is unique, best thing is to email them and ask if the guide can be uploaded, I have done that quite a few times and not had a single decline - in fact, on a couple of occasions the person actually gave me more information to add to the topic. What would be good though is unique mods, tips, guides and pinouts that are not on other sites; always good reading. This is quite an active modding site after all, so a quality reference section with unique stuff on it would be welcome by many.
Myself and Borman want to start an XBOX wiki, but we are not sure how to get it started, maybe once you get yours running you could help us?
Why make another one? I dont see the point of duplication. And bacteria - I agree with your post for the most part. My point was that moving peoples content to a place they cant edit it is basically stealing their work. Copyright is immediately and automatically granted to the person who created it. If you have permission or take it down if asked - its not really an issue. I have had guides taken from me in much the manner you described under a generic "guide-bot" account without my permission - so your post hit a nerve.
Another one? Not the one mixed with XBOX 360, it's going to be dedicated and documented in every way possible, with development items and what not with the XBOX. We just don't know how to approach it, as many are confusing for me to create.
Just saying if I am going to start up a wiki for this site (or its users at least) why setup another one? (which is what I thought you were asking, when you said help you once I have done this one??) Surely that type of information is exactly what should be on the wiki we are talking about here... which is why I said why duplicate?
Yes, if people want their guides on my site removed, they can ask, not an issue - about 80% of all the guides there are mine anyway. Moving people's content to a place they can't edit is not stealing their work if they are in knowledge that if their work is worthy of putting into a reference section it will be, and also they get credit for the work, and also a star to show others they are worth listening to and have experience. It's a win, win situation. Yes, i'd be pissed, as you were, if someone just took guides without asking for sure, as most of us have done some unique mods that others haven't and therefore quite reasonably, want to decide where they are shown and where they aren't shown. One example to prove I do what I said, was a guide for taking a donor Amstrad GX4000 game cart, flashing a replacement ROM from another similar game. I only found one such modder that did that anywhere, so I emailed him, asked his permission to post his guide on my forum, he agreed, and also gave me links to a couple of files he used that helped prepare the ROMs for flashing. As a result, I got someone to flash some ROMs for me, in preparation, not so much for the crappy GX4000 games but as apparently you can also make many of the CPC games work on the GX4000 if converted to the right format (again, the program he gave me did that). This is the topic BTW : http://www.made-by-bacteria.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=723 Good to see on a positive note, that this topic being "bumped" ended up being a good thing - promoted some good discussion that will hopefully end up with a good reference section of one type of another, this is one of the few quality modding forums on the net after all, so deserves one.
I did stipulate that if you had permission or would take them down if requested that it wasnt a problem. That part just wasn't apparent from your original post. The site I was talking about claimed ownership of all content of the site (even though their TOS claimed the opposite - which makes sense, you dont want to be liable for what users post on your site) and refused to remove it. CPC eprom thing - is pretty much common sense (eprom contains data, so replace with another one containing other data). The tool for converting and patching formats is the key and very cool though.
Ohh now I follow, well if you don't mind I'd be happy to. It would be information myself and Borman and maybe other collectors can share.
Yes, the EPROM thing is logical of course, although was nice to know that there weren't other circuits on the game cart to worry about, as on some systems there are more differences on the boards than just the ROM chip after all. It was interesting though the chap got some CPC games working too, and yes, his tools for converting and patching formats were key, and that was the "extra" he gave me when I got his permission to post the mod. The point is though, few people have modded the GX4000; i've modded the console board itself, and made a portable of it (although killed the board when the system was done by over closing the case, and shorted the video chip against the metal of a battery; so mods for that console system are pretty rare (hence his guide was useful). I don't always post everything i'm thinking of in a thread (or put all in a post intended to), and what is posted doesn't always have only one way to read it either! lol Actually, a forum is liable for what is posted on it, that's why it's not a good idea to post where to get modchips, or flash carts, etc, or sell them; it's asking for trouble. I know Racketboy forum for example does just that, sells modchips, etc - that's their choice, however Nintendo and other companies actively shut and take action against sites that circumvent their products; eg modchips, flash carts, etc - isn't worth the risk. Same way as for example if a forum gets a thread about how to make a bomb, for example, if that wasn't removed in a reasonable time and action taken against the poster, then if the authorities became aware of the thread and nothing had been done about it, then they would go for the forum owner as accountable. Anyway, on topic, a quality reference section here would be great, unique guides not elsewhere.
The current official wikipedia has a discussion page for every wiki page, if anyone can discus the contents on a page, the original poster can have like a ownership on the topic (its an idea, im not sure if the current engine supports it), some moderators are checking all the stiff like here on the forum. (some wiki pages are locked) When one posts a guide or a review , you will be the author (I think one can setup wiki to allow only 1 author and editor. An moderator or admin can edit tho.) and in the discussion pages people can explain, or verify whatever and ask to original author to edit it, maybe 2 or more authors can be "owner" of an article. I think most of the people here posting so far exactly know how this stuff can go wrong and how a trust system should be in place. I would love an XBox and Xbox 360 section, and I really hope some info there, its sad the Linux projects and the 360 projects got a server problem whatever. there was not much new stuff, but it was a Wiki. Ill see If I know stuff, and maybe do some MSX as well. Im happy My bumb activated you to reply edit2 Also this http://xkcd.com/1167/
I support this cause! I think it would be a great idea. Everyone else seems to have a wiki, why not us? We are the best in the business right? :smile-new:
