Sega Saturn HST-3220 white Model 2 internal variations

Discussion in 'Sega Saturn Programming and Development' started by Shane Battye, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. Shane Battye

    Shane Battye Spirited Member

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    Hi folks, just wanted to share some pictures of two Sega Saturn HST-3220 JP white Model 2 systems I picked up recently.

    They seem a little interesting; firstly because the serial number on one of them begins with P7D which corresponds to the 670-8063B model vs. 664 for the 670-8063D model; secondly because there are significant internal differences to the boards. Here's a side by side comparison:
    [GALLERY=media, 2571]Sega Saturn HST-3220 side by side comparison of serial numbers and internal components by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY]​

    Both contain mod chips with the P7D model using a variant of the SSkey which I recognise.

    Anybody have any insight into these differences?

    Thanks, Shane

    [GALLERY=media, 2577]Sega Saturn HST-3220 serial no. beginning P7D Made in Japan internals by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY][GALLERY=media, 2576]Mod chip inside Sega Saturn HST-3220 serial no. beginning P7D Made in Japan by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY][GALLERY=media, 2573]Sega Saturn HST-3220 serial no. beginning P7D Made in Japan by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY][GALLERY=media, 2575]Sega Saturn HST-3220 serial no. beginning 664 Made in Taiwan internals by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY][GALLERY=media, 2574]Mod chip inside Sega Saturn HST-3220 serial no. beginning 664 Made in Taiwan by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY][GALLERY=media, 2572]Sega Saturn HST-3220 serial no. beginning 664 Made in Taiwan by Shane Battye posted Mar 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM[/GALLERY]​
     
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    Judging from the serial numbers, one is a '96 VA4 and the other is a '97 VA13 - despite the two units looking the same from the outside, basically nothing is interchangeable. The old PSU used in the VA4 is a 3-rail design with +3.3V, +5V and +9V lines and the newer ones produced a single +5V rail, although with 2 pins each for +5V and ground.

    The main board went from a split design with a separate controller board to a single board and the reference clock for the CD drive was changed from an on-board oscillator to being driven from the clock oscillator on the main board (the white line around the edge of the CD control PCB is to show that it's one of the newer drives and not interchangeable with the older ones).

    The changes to the CD drive clocking also broke some of the modchips - for example that one you have in the VA4 with only 2 chips on it and no crystal won't work in the later units.

    The later units also had some software compatibility issues with a few titles.
     
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  3. Shane Battye

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    Wow great info! Interestingly one of these contained a burned Saturn development disc when I received it. I've only attempted to boot it on both these consoles; which it doesn't. Wondering if it needs an external tool to boot (came with a PsyQ kit (the blue cartridge version and PC Card, and another cart that looks like a memory expansion) or whether the disc deteriorated. Both consoles read music CDs fine but I haven't tested with any game discs yet.
     

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  4. Droid III

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    It's hard to tell what is on that CDR without opening the disc in a PC. It could be a final game, a prototype build, a bootable game that doesn't work because neither system has a working laser, or the modchips don't work, or it could be just an asset disc, or the disc might not have a game but the DSK development images that was used by the devkits to emulate a disk drive.

    The other cart is for the Cartdev devkits, I believe.

    It might work but it will need a secondary cable soldered for the clock signal, like in those very very old modchip install guides.
     
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  5. Shane Battye

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    Wow thanks, yeah I intend on opening the disc up on my PC tonight.

    I thought it looked a bit like those cartdev carts, bit strange it just came by itself but was a weird auction lot.
     
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    Rare and odd things get paired up ever so often. I got the regcard for Metal Slug because someone sold it paired to the USA "bootleg sampler" demo disc.
     
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    Here's the CD-R contents from Windows; iTunes was able to import a number of AIFF audio files from the disc too.

    Volume in drive F is GYANJIKO
    Volume Serial Number is 2E64-D139

    Directory of F:\

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    Looks like the final game to me, all the file dates have a +10 hour offset but that can be put up to timezones.

    The best way to check is if you could share the MD5 sums for the files in the disc, then we can check if the files match the final game files or not. Note that the CDDA files may not be readable because they are sort of symbolic links to the cd audio tracks.
     
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    xml database contents (I used Microsoft (R) File Checksum Integrity Verifier V2.05 to generate it from the CD-R)

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
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  10. Shane Battye

    Shane Battye Spirited Member

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  11. Shane Battye

    Shane Battye Spirited Member

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    Do you know if those MD5s above checkout for the final game?
     
  12. Droid III

    Droid III Rising Member

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    Code:
    C:\Users\xxx\Downloads\Windows-KB841290-x86-ENU>fciv -v -md5 -xml tokyomahjong.xml
    //
    // File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
    //
    Starting checksums verification : 03/21/2018 at 20h09'43
    
    All files verified successfully
    
    End Verification : 03/21/2018 at 20h09'43
    
    
    C:\Users\xxx\Downloads\Windows-KB841290-x86-ENU>
    Looks like it's the retail copy, all the file hashes match.
     
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  13. Shane Battye

    Shane Battye Spirited Member

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    Great, that closes that mystery
     
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