So...you wanna develop Arcade games using PC hardware huh?

Remember when BlazBlue Continuum Shift leaked last year? WELL a MASSIVE
amount of PC based games now run natively in windows.

Arcana Heart 3
Otomedius

Type X Type X2

Battle Fantasia
Chaos Breaker
Gōketsuji Ichizoku Matsuri Senzo Kuyou
Street Fighter IV
Tetris the Grandmaster 3
Trouble Witches AC

Several others are on that list too but they don't work well at all on PC Hardware and SNK did a good job encrypting their games as NO SNK branded Type X or X2 game work on a PC at all edit: ALL SNK GAMES that aren't KOF 98 that is

Power Instinct has button mapping issues.

And interesting tidbit about Street Fighter IV apparently the PC Version does not use the same Code as the Arcade. My Laptop has no problems passing the benchmark for the PC Version of Street Fighter IV but running the Arcade version on my laptop causes alot of Lag.

Strangely NO Lindbergh games have leaked.

So do you all feel this is the beginning of the end for PC based arcade hardware or will the TYPE X be scrapped in favor of something with better encryption?

Chaos Breaker is fantastic BTW if there was a viable retail version I'd buy it no questions asked (It's only on PSN under it's development name now)

I'm not bragging about having any or all of these games or endorsing piracy here. Although I do have all the games I listed (and in many cases own the console equelevent when applicable) The games aren't easy to find and download by any means I only found out by accident.

 

Quiet! You'll wake Zack Morris...

 

I think the move to PC based hardware was a questionable one with so much of them using straight up stock PC parts. It seems companies are slowly moving away from this along with moving towards server based distribution for arcade games. Along with trying to use more custom parts.

Also the current successor to Type X is the Type-X Zero & Nesica network.
http://www.typex.taito.jp/zero.html
http://nesica.net/

 

If Virtua Fighter 5 Final Leaked I would be all over that bitch.

but could my laptop in theory run it?

here are my laptop's spec (Note I've installed Windows 7 Ultimate since this came out 2 years ago)
http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-a505-s6965/4507-3121_7-33712883.html

Lindbergh
http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=731

Survey says

Probably not Lindbergh runs on Linux and I THINK the Gforce 6 is higher on the totem poll than my midrange ATI Radeon 4500

BUT I think this answers why Lindbergh games haven't been leaked yet, Linux OS and probably better encryption.

Either way you lose money Arcades are such a Niche now sadly I SO want arcades to make a comeback.

A network approach to game distribution isn't 100% secure either unless nesica is a closed network like XBOX live.

 

It is a closed system. Operators have to run a special server machine on site that periodically contacts taito for updates and new games. Then each cabinet to use the system is installed with a type-x zero terminal unit that connects to the server to access installed games. When a user purchases to play a game, a small cut of every play is charged to the arcade operator and goes to taito.

http://dreamcancel.com/forum/index.php?topic=776.0
"-Nesica Live's concept came up as early as 2005, but it took until 2009 to to materialize. Fujimoto says it's a good deal for arcades because they don't have to risk the purchase of a new arcade board. Once they install a Nesica Live, they can download games for free. It's a pay-per-play system. It started out with 9 participating game publishers, and it's now up to 16. By September, it should be up to 20.

-About the pay-per-play price model: Taito charges 30-20 yen per game to the arcade. The model has three prices depending on the type of the game: 30 yen, 25 yen, and 20 yen. A standard game is charged 30 yen, whereas a classic/vintage game is charged 25 yen, and past games (on the Type X) without any real changes are charged 20 yen.

-In the case of the standard 30 yen, Taito takes 10 yen as its share and the remaining 20 yen becomes the publisher's profit. (So that means, if an arcade offers their games at 100 yen per credit, they'd make a 70 yen profit. But if they're a nice arcade that charges only 50 yen, they'll only be making a 20 yen profit)."

 

From what I understand, VF5FS is being worked on, but that should be expected. As for the original question, I thought PC-based arcade hardware was over before it started. All windows systems are cracked open like a mofo due to a lot of factors, but one would be just about everybody's familiarity w/ the architecture. It was a pretty silly idea if they didn't figure in a 5-year piracy plan.

Wonder where Darius Burst: AC fits in there -- nice stuff, but pricey. Too pricey for me.

 

Isn't Darius Burst: AC a custom setup or is that only the delux version?

Sadly reading this nesica stuff again, I think I now understand the badly translated warning about Tekken Tag 2. I think my collecting of recent namco related games will be at an end soon. =(

 

if VF5FS does leak I'll probably know.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Nesica in 2-3 years. it just takes 1 rouge arcade operator to break something wide open.

There's still console ports

But what is this Tekken Tag 2 warning?

 

Not really or it would have been done already. If the games require constant contact with Taito to function then it will take far more then a rouge operator.

Pretty much similar to nesica. Namco collects a per play fee from operators. OH:

-edit-
here is the exact info that came from an arcade board seller
"The key points for operators are;

you must have internet connection for this game to work (the game cannot work offline)
you must have the game board charged via prepaid cards, ie, you buy charge cards which add "points" to your game board. Each time a player using the machine, 5 points are deducted. If your game board has zero points, the game stops working

Weekly/monthly live updates are given to the game board introducing new characters, venues, combo moves and more. These updates occur automatically without the need for the game owner to manually update their machines.

Please therefore note, if your machine is offline or not charged with credit, it will not work. Points cards (1 card = 10,000 points) for operators can be purchased and once installed into the machine will transfer credit onto the gameboard."

 

This is going to be very taxing on preservationists.

BUT we shall see as far as I know non networked versions of these games are in the wild too. At least Tekken Tag 2

Isn't the general rule "if it exists it can be hacked"

 

Bar from private internal versions (used for trade shows), there most likely won't be any non network version in the wild for the near future (maybe in 3+ years they'll change their mind but currently no). It won't be the first namco game as it seems Gundam Extreme Vs requires a connection to namco to function/run.

Yes but that also does not mean it will. Tag2 is made more complicated by being on new hardware revision/upgraded ps3 hardware which post ps3 hack is bound to run on brand new keys/encryption mechanics. So it may very well be years and years before it's ever hacked.

 

Well it is only just NOW people have figured out the Model 3

Interestingly enough to get otomedius to work you have to trick it into thinking it's online you also need a physical drive F (I have it so my SD drive is Drive F)

OH update the Type X games running in windows

I got Gigawing generations running but it's tate mode only the options screen is gibberish. I assume Shikigami III, and Raiden III and IV also run I haven't tried them since I have the PC Versions of Shikigami III, and the PS2 Raiden III and Raiden IV on 360

Spica adventure also runs beautifully.

BlazBlue Calamity Trigger doesn't work right (while CS does)

KOF XII made my computer go batshit crazy KOF XIII is just a black screen of nothing then sound

 

Won't we all...

Yeah, and Japanese are so well known for leaking stuff. Is Nesica available in the west?

 

Whether the games work or not depend on your video card. KOF13 works on my computer fine whereas Spica Adventure is a black screen with sound. Best solution is to buy a Type X and run them off of there, and then you don't have to worry about compatibility. :nod:

 

We're not all made of money you know.You forgot the other option. Wait for the superior console port

I'm REALLY pissed there's no real Console Port of Chaos Breaker. YEAH it's on PSN but who really cares enough about PSN to download any games on it?

That game deserves more exposure it's Fanfuckingtastic.

 

None of those games interest me all that much. However, if they ever released Battle Gear 4 I'd be all over that.

 

You say this thread isn't about pirating modern arcade games. But it is.

 

No it's education on the flaws of modern hardware

 

Couldn't you say that about any form of piracy? Like, "hey, when I installed that modchip in my 360 I was just trying to show people how weak its security system is."