Sonic X-treme - Cancelled Sega Saturn "nights" concept video

Very neat. So thats what Mr. Wallis meant about using that particular engine. It actually looks fun.

I liked the BGM you choose for the video, ASSEMbler.

 

Nice to see

PS. Not to cause contraversy and just to let you know, the engine used here was Chris Coffin's engine, which is frequently seen in screenshots with Metal Sonic and Nack the Weasel and the like. Quote from my email conversations with Chris (it was also put onto wikipedia, by Chris, I will screenshot the email if I must):

"The boss engine never used the NiGHTS engine, never saw any code,tools or assistance from Sonic Team. Even one of AM2's own arcade teams from japan that was transplanted to the offices of STI and developed Dynamite Deka (known as Die HARD ARCADE) was not privelaged with any such knowledge or special support.
<script><!-- D(["mb","Teams had to pretty much fend for themselves which was evidenced by almost nonexistent 3rd party tools and support network for Saturn at that time.\u003cbr /\>A few months into Chris Coffin\'s involvment in Sonic Xtreme, the studio director Roger Hector showed Chris Coffin a playable pre release level of NiGHTS.\u003cbr /\>Chris Coffin fell in love with the game\'s look and feel of NiGHTS for Sonic Xtreme\'s boss levels, which may be why [[Yuji Naka]] himself threatened to quit Sega several months later because he assumed the Sonic Xtreme team had been given access to his game\'s source code and art which was not the case.\u003cbr /\>The boss level engine began to evolve into a game of its own using this new source of inspiration, trying to stay closer to its 2d roots by adopting a 3d but side scrolling viewpoint seen in games like Klonoa, Pandemonium and NiGHTS which was more fluid and lent itself to the fast moving gameplay of previous sonic tites.\u003cbr /\>The new boss engine gameplay prototype adopted a more pastel color scheme and organic flow of the inspirational NiGHTS game causing some divided opinions amongst team members inlcuding designer Chris Senn that originality was being compromised in the interest of appeasing Sega of Japan..&quot;\u003cbr /\>\u003cbr /\>\u003cbr /\>\u003cbr /\>\u003cbr /\>---- Jordan Grodecki <\u003ca onclick\u003d\"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)\" href\u003d\"mailto:relinquished@gmail.com\"\>relinquished@gmail.com\u003c/a\>> wrote:\u003cbr /\>> Hey Chris, just checking you got the email quoted below?\u003cbr /\>>\u003cbr /\>> Hey Chris\u003cbr /\>> >\u003cbr /\>> > I personally don\'t work on the LostLevels website, although I vaguely know\u003cbr /\>> > the person that does, TheRedEye. Mike Wallis overlooked that article, as you\u003cbr /\>> > may have noticed from the timeline, if you say its wrong, would you mind\u003cbr /\>> > saying what you would correct? That article is pretty much taken as fact\u003cbr /\>> > now.\u003cbr /\>> >\u003cbr /\>> > I must say a big thankyou for replying and being willing to talk, unlike\u003cbr /\>> > some others *coughOferAloncough* It will be intresting to hear yet another\u003cbr /\>",1] ); //--></script>Teams had to pretty much fend for themselves which was evidenced by almost nonexistent 3rd party tools and support network for Saturn at that time.
A few months into Chris Coffin's involvment in Sonic Xtreme, the studio director Roger Hector showed Chris Coffin a playable pre release level of NiGHTS.
Chris Coffin fell in love with the game's look and feel of NiGHTS for Sonic Xtreme's boss levels, which may be why [[Yuji Naka]] himself threatened to quit Sega several months later because he assumed the Sonic Xtreme team had been given access to his game's source code and art which was not the case.
The boss level engine began to evolve into a game of its own using this new source of inspiration, trying to stay closer to its 2d roots by adopting a 3d but side scrolling viewpoint seen in games like Klonoa, Pandemonium and NiGHTS which was more fluid and lent itself to the fast moving gameplay of previous sonic tites.
The new boss engine gameplay prototype adopted a more pastel color scheme and organic flow of the inspirational NiGHTS game causing some divided opinions amongst team members inlcuding designer Chris Senn that originality was being compromised in the interest of appeasing Sega of Japan..""

If there is any other like, evidence that this was a Nights based game, I'll be happy to accept that though

 

Hmm, what are the chances of getting this version of Sonic Extreme too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftNgzZ3Ovig

 

So awesome. I am really lovin' the BGM. :love:

 

Nice video. Just sad, so much shit has happened around Sonic Extreme.

 

I can't beleive it sold for $3000. I don't remember if that auction from back then stated how much gameplay was in it but if anybody knew that this was as much as you're getting I can't believe someone would spend that much for just 30 seconds before you've practically played the whole game.

Of course this isn't from a collectors point of view so... :shrug:

 

It's difficult to tell from the Flash video above, but it looks like STI were doing just fine without Naka's Nights engine if the one above really is Chris Coffin's creation. It even seems more fluid than the Nights engine, though of course with the addition of more effects, a more populated level and some NPCs with AI, I guess things could have been more balanced at the end.

On the other hand though since this is a demo and unlikely to have had any optimisation applied to it, maybe Naka should have been asking STI for their 3D engine and not the other way around? =P

 

If you are talking about Project S, its a new game inspired by Sonic Xtreme, it wont directly resemble it in any way really.

 

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

Great vid!
Probably has been asked before but.....

Since this first concept used the Nights engine, does the Sonic in Xmas Nights have anything to do with this?
How about Sonic Jam's engine?

 

As far as I know all of those were seperate.

 

This is nothing to do with the boss engine though, according to Senn it is using the Nights engine:

http://www.senntient.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000047.html

 

The boss engine eventually became the base for the entire thing, after it was realized that Ofer's fisheye would not be able to be ported to the saturn, as shown by the screenshots of Coffin's engine I released myself recently (available http://www.projectsonic.com/1/ ). Although those show an engine with models.....

I'm suuprised actully, it may well be on the nights engine, I'll have to try and get that confirmed either way from a couple of people.

Thanks for that

That was a very old quote from waay back when all the drama first started, plus the fact that Senn was never directly involved with this version, he worked almost exclusively on the fisheye with Ofer., if you read the latest Edge article, which is on X-Treme, it says they had the engine for a couple of weeks, with quotes from Mike Wallis and Chris Senn... I'm still not convinced this was made with the NiD Engine... is 2 weeks enough to make something like this?

Direct quote from the article says they had it for 2 or 3 weeks where they got familerized with the engine., before Naka threatend to quit and all. I guess the demo could possibly have been done in that time. I'll keep an open mind till I get a real answer.

I'll get back to you with confirmation....have emailed Mike Wallis, producer to get a confirmed answer to this.

 

Man that runs really well on the Saturn..... I think I can understand a possible reason why Sonicteam would be pissed about this...that would be that some other company making the first true 3D Sonic game.