Sony vs likely YOU, ME... almost everyone who is curious...

This is partly a scare tactic and to build a case against the hackers. Nothing will happen to people that watched a Youtube video.

 

It is the basic principal that bugs me.

 

I'm with you. Their antics make me want to either hack my PS3 or sell it. Haven't decided which.

 

I've visited geohot's site. Sony can have all the information they want from me.

Hell, I want them to digest my address and phone number and such. Waste their time. I'll give them my SSN.

 

The day I see a CES badge for PSX-Scene is the day they've rolled over, wiped their site and became a lap dog for Sony.

As subbie said, a badge means jack. Kevin Mitnick couldn't get one for years but now he is paid extremely well doing computer security.

 

Lets face it, most security measures in digital systems rely on how "unknown" they are, once you figured out how things work, its easier to crack (brute force).

On one side you have nice guys searching... eventually finding something on their past time. So far so good... But once they release any bit of information about their "findings". => Chinese hackers grab the info and do shit.

You can see that even on very small businesses. So I can't imagine how dramatic it can be for big companies like Sony. Anybody in their position would attempt same things.

Being curious is one thing, damaging other's business is another. Their fears and actions seems pretty legitimate to me although they already lost since the first seconds any info was leaked.

 

http://www.dashhacks.com/articles/sony-gains-ability-use-data-jailbreak-followers

"Sony will only use data from the users which are from Northern California, so most of the world should be fine. The point of this is to prove that Hotz's hacking efforts were aimed at Californians – So there is no need to move the trial to New Jersey where Geohot hacked his PS3."

 

Will this move of sonys affect most of us..No. Will it help them I do not think so. Really all it proves is that sony by starting this lawsuit made many people interested in what this was about. Based on the logs if the number of people looking at this increased dramatically afer the lawsuit it can be reasonably infered that sony suing created an event that eveyone wanted to see what this was about. If GEO hot sucesfully argues the PS3 is a computer and this, I believe, can be demostrated by Sonys own words that Sony called the PS3 a computer when they first sold it marketing linux. Making their own comments the the proof needed then back that up with a reasonable person standard that a reasonable person would believe you can modify your own computer. This then means GEOHOT posted code comments from his computer I know this is grey but this means sonys argument is getting weaker and as such easier to defeat.

AS a consumer Sonys antic made me want to sale all my sony items. The linux removal was like a bait and switch on the consumer. What other choice? no blue ray player great.. Thanks Sony not that I was using it but it is the point. To me it is simlar to when AT&T wanted to credit my 10 cent phone call back to my moms number, yeah this was back aways, but the dime was mine not hers and I worked for it. I fought AT&T for 6 months over the principle of it and won. The linux removal is the same thing I paid for it. If you want to block consumers from online great but if I buy a game I should be able to play it or a new blue ray movie. Unfortuently the updates are not just for online...

This whole premise made me think of a potential lawsuit. If you buy a game open it refuse the contract rights to install the update so you can not play the game and now want to return it, the store will not take it back. This is because the disc is open. The issue arises in the fact that as a consumer you have no idea on the update, terms of the update and the ramificatiosn of the update till you try to run the game which means you, the consumer would need to open it, If I revoke the offer then by all rights I should get my money back. The reason is I am not buying a cd I am buying rights to what is on the cd. imagine if this goes to court and I win. This means every store in the us could be forced to take back games that have been open untill the packages changes to handle this. I can not wait till I pass the bar.

To this end, I believe, If GeoHot and their lawyers do this right they should win. The PS3 60GB was marketed as a computer so taking this aproach you as a consumer have the right to change it just as any other computer. Also, while different, it is similar on phones and in this case it is occuring in the same district, 9th, that set precidance on jailbraking phones so having it tried here in california is actually advantageous for geo hot since rulings in the same district set precedance the courts look to precidence for their rulings.

 

As any nerd will tell you, security through obscurity is no security at all. The security systems in modern consoles are a little more complex than simple obfuscation, they all just happened to have exploitable bugs in their implementation.

I hear this over and over and it strikes me as peculiarly xenophobic. Certainly modchips get manufactured in China but most piracy-related software that's developed for consoles, handhelds etc seems to be Western in origin. It's not a simple case of pure-hearted white-hat hackers in the West and filthy pirate scum in China, most of the hackers you see at C3 talks and so on no doubt contribute plenty of warezy software to the scene, but do so quietly and anonymously.

 

Give me any security measures that do not rely on obfuscation.

I work in china for a few years now... I'm just describing what I'm seeing every day here. Here they hack for profit, not fun. And the big numbers are made in china, not in a western guy garage AFAIK.

 

The whole field of cryptography? Modern consoles don't just use a proprietary protocol to send data (which is what I meant by security through obscurity), typically critical data is encrypted end to end. Breaking modern encryption through brute force, like you suggested, is not feasible.

Yeah, that's true. Piracy for profit is different issue, though - I was mainly arguing against what seems to be a common perception, that Western hackers are all "white hat" good guys and anything with the taint of piracy must come from abroad.

 

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Sony will get what's coming to them...

 

Fuck that's hilarious.

I live in Northern California. And my PS3 YLOD'd before I could install CFW on it.
HURRAH FOR GOOD TIMING:lol: