Special viewing of ps3 dev

Any chances for some Revolution dev details?

 

Yeah the tech demos, I think, for the original Xbox at GDC looked really good. I remember the Afro thunder one in particular. Then of course there was the robot and woman one as well. The tech demo on the final spec. machine looked like crap by comparsion.

Perhaps we'll see the same with the PS3, cause that Killzone 2 bit looks like some hard shoes to fill.

The most powerful console hasn't won because it never had a good install base. The PS3 might set that historical precedent, if it can capture a large enough base.

 

The Xbox is way more powerful than the PS2; didn't stop it getting it's as kicked though. It's all about who can sign the best developer deals.

 

how much hype was there about the "Emotion engine" for ps2 - it didnt pan out like they wanted. And who wants to write games utilizing 7 cores :/

Like Funkstar De Luxe said, its all about the games, which is I think MS is doing a great job getting out there early and showing off tons of games, as well as the xbox live features.

Of course the easy answer is just buy all the consoles and you always win

 

The current 360 Dev Kits are Alpha versions, this is standard practice at this stage in development.

...You don't have to worry too much about the specs changing as the SDK compensates accordingly and the developers estimate a percentage accordingly.

The 'current' Xbox was developed the same way, from Alpha > Beta > Final.

...I have several versions of each that demonstrate the progression on a week-by-week basis in some cases.

Here's just a quick random sample to explain what I mean...


June Beta 1
121 MHz------------- Front-side bus clock
665 MHz---------------CPU clock
155 MHz----------------GPU clock
182 MHz-----------------Memory clock


July/Aug Beta 1
135 MHz
742 MHz
210 MHz
202 MHz

Aug XDK HW (final)
133 MHz
733 MHz
233 MHz
200 MHz

 

I believe sony will choke. I hope xbox 360 does well but based on price nintendo could be the real winner on this next generation.

 

Ahem, the SNES was more powefull than the genesis, and the NES too.


As for the xbox getting kicked out, i think it could happen. Since Sony and microsoft have the same casual audience that freak about graphics, so sony have the advantage there. but sony doesn't not only have a casual audience, they have those hardcore gamers that like obscure japanese games and Die-Hard rpgs, another advantage for them .

As for nintendo, i'm sure they can do like another one said, sit back and watch. i doubt this generation will damage them, on the contrary, i think it will be benefic for them.

As for those supertopsecretcontacts with ps3 games that looks incredible, you can't show us any images, and i understand, but can you confirm what we saw so far at e3 this year was real? i mean, in real time, and that could be in a game. Killzone looks too good to be true, while the xbox games looks like pc games with a doom 3 style added to it (you know,those kind of textures
and special dynamic lighting effects)

 

yeah, nintendo seems to finally understand something, and i really think they can go up in this next-gen if they manage to kick themselves in the a*s a bit. i just really want to see their secret card quickly, and i hope they're not bluffing, i really do want something inovative, you know.

edit: and i must add nintendo totally scraped that kidish look with their revolution design, in my eyes.

 

You can't just say that the SNES was "more powerful" than the Genesis. The main CPU in the Genesis (~9Mhz M68k) was between 2 to 3 times as fast in pure speed than the SNES CPU, but the Genesis had a smaller colour palette. It's different, you can't compare them directly; they were relatively close in an abstract idea of "power". I don't know what you're comparing the NES to, but if you mean SMS then it's a similar story: the SMS and NES both had particular advantages and disadvantages that cannot be reduced to a singular "more powerful" console. I hope you weren't saying that the NES was more powerful than the Genesis (which it certainly sounds like)...

No, as has been stated elsewhere, anything other than what was shown by Epic or EA was pre-rendered. Which isn't to say that the real thing won't look like it, obviously.

 

well, i know the snes can't handle those speedy games we saw on the genesis (like sonic, by exemple) but if you check the overall game graphics of each system, the snes's the winner. you could do pretty damn good things on megadrive, if you worked hard enough (like sonic 3 by exemple)

 

I think a part of me inside has died. As much as I force myself to, I just can't get psyched about the next generation. Regardless of what anyone is doing.

I keep trying, but I personally get a more euphoric feeling from knowing that later on today Im going to finally go and complete Goemon on the PS1.


I don't know if this is good, or bad. In my younger days, each new hardware generation excited me. I remember my first famicom, then the step up to PC-Engine, then a MD, AES, SCD then SFC, then a Saturn and DC. At each jump, I had a buzz. But where has that buzz gone now?! If you know, answers on a postcard please.


EDIT:
I just realised something, none of these new machines will be having the kinds of games I like playing released for them. Everything being talked about is stuff I dislike. Killzone? Pah! I demand high-res sprite based games and a Katamarii sequal.

I feel so abandoned by the market.

 

You know how I said it's the games that matter?

Well actaully - if the PS3 can produce graphics anything like those screen shots and videos suggest, I'll get one lightening fast.

Some of the demos actually look better then those shit rendered cartoons that are on Saturday morings.

That's some piece of hardware Sony have come up with

 

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how many studios will be able to fuly exploit ps3 or xbox360 and produce cinematic visuals without cinematic costs?

None...so in the end you will have similarly looking games on both platforms...

 

Lots. People said things like that before the PS2 came out. New techniques become standards and push the cost down from what you expect (although they will be a bit higher than this gen).

And films are managed by idiots with 100 million to waste so it's not a fair comparison to make.

PS, I like the username ;-)

 

I thinking a lot of games could look similar if a third party dev gets lazy when porting to a different console. It seems that the Unreal3Engine will be the official middleware of Sony, but then again it's also being used by Microsft Game Studios, Midway, Bioware, etc. So games will look Unreal, pun intended. However that will be about the limit for an average game perhaps.

It seems like to keep cost down middleware like that will be key, and I think it'll save a non-partisan dev some hassle working with these next-gen platforms and give them a bigger possible market more easily.

 

Well, and also, assuming the hardware to do it is there, it's cheaper to do a given level of imagery in realtime rather than prerender it frame by frame.

Final Fantasy Movie for instance. They had to render each individual frame of that. In realtime you just need the character models, environments, and effects and then instructions that dictate how each should operate. You don't have to pay two hundred graphics design guys to crank it out frame by frame.