Storage and conservation of cartridge media

Discussion in 'Repair, Restoration, Conservation and Preservation' started by ASSEMbler, Oct 8, 2008.

  1. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    This thread is to address the proper storage of cartridge media.

    1. Plastic conservation (primarily interaction)
    2. Battery degradation and issues.
    a. Cases of acceptable removal
    b. Replacement parts

    The questions right now are:

    1. What cartridges for which systems have batteries?
    NES/FAMI
    SNES/SFC

    Have they shown any kind of damaging deterioration?

    Unknown /suggest - shown to degrade in arcade boards, older computers.
    What kinds? Lithium? Does anyone have an original zelda cart
    they can crack open to see how the battery looks.

    2. Do any type of cartridges show tendencies to have
    discoloration?

    Superfamicom / yellow

    3. Which ones do the labels fall off of or degrade?

    Megadrive on the curved spine

    What kind of glue is it. Is restoration acceptable or not to a collector?
    (re-glue along the curved spine). Is it best to leave it alone? Opinions.
     
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  2. babu

    babu Mamihlapinatapai

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    You can find most NES carts with box art and PCB scans here:
    http://bootgod.dyndns.org:7777/
     
  3. DarthCloud

    DarthCloud Fiery Member

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    Cartridge, memory card(like n64) and console motherboard use CR2032 battery that you can buy easily everywhere. PC Motherboard CMOS batt is also CR2032.

    Small form factor hardware (like gba and gb cart) usualy use CR1616 batt.
     
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  4. karsten

    karsten Member of The Cult Of Kefka

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    concerning plastic. The famous plastic yellowing/color degradation is due to a chemical reaction (actually a degradation) of cheap, low quality plastic. This issue can be slowed down/avoided by not keeping the machine/cartdridge in direct sunlight, since the UV rays hasten the process. This is quite widespread known.


    Another factor in the yellowing that i've never saw mentioned is temperature. It's more than reasonable to say that said yellowings can start or (for sure) worsen because of overeating/high temperatures.

    The bad about this, is that it is a process that is not possible to stop, and it do NOT only involve the surface, but the whole body of plastic. so no treatment trying to take out the surface will be useless.

    One REALLY important thing to consider is that NOT ALL the Batches of plastic have the same caracteristics. It all depends on the batch quality. So 2 snes owned by the same guy, kept togheter in the same place on the same conditions can result in a pristine and a yellow machine.

    Many yellow snes have top yellow and bottom pristine. This is because of different batches or because differently colored plastic Degrades in different ways.

    In short the black Sega Saturn plastic wether it is as cheap of the snes one or not, will never experience such dramtic changes, while the PSX, due to its color might be prone to it.

    Lastly, some people say that the yellowing is because of smokers... Now as a far as my diplom in chemistry allows me to understand, is BS. I think no place is THAT smoky.

    hope it helps somehow. ask questions and i'll elaborate.

    karsten

    Edited: so in short, i forgot my suggestions. Keep plastic that is white/gray or such in a dark place not hot place like your garage might be. If your item is Black/dark grey or such, you should have no big worries.

    edited again: I forgot to state, that bad plastic batches will get yellow NO MATTER WHAT YOU'LL DO. You can only slow down the process. So A SNES that is not yellow today and has been used intensivly should be highly valued since even a brand new boxed one could get yellow in far shorter time.
     
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  5. oldengineer

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    :banghead: ^^^ Seriously incorrect statement!!! :noooo:

    ...If you do decide to study for a diploma I'd advise you do a thesis on "Plastic(s)and their chemical reactions with low level (PPM) cigarette smoke", it will make interesting reading, trust me.

    Typical cigarette composition is as follows:

    Acetanisole
    Acetic Acid
    Acetoin
    Acetophenone
    6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
    2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
    2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
    Acetylpyrazine
    2-Acetylpyridine
    3-Acetylpyridine
    2-Acetylthiazole
    Aconitic Acid
    dl-Alanine
    Alfalfa Extract
    Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
    Allyl Hexanoate
    Allyl Ionone
    Almond Bitter Oil
    Ambergris Tincture
    Ammonia
    Ammonium Bicarbonate
    Ammonium Hydroxide
    Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
    Ammonium Sulfide
    Amyl Alcohol
    Amyl Butyrate
    Amyl Formate
    Amyl Octanoate
    alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
    Amyris Oil
    trans-Anethole
    Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
    Anise
    Anise Star, Extract and Oils
    Anisyl Acetate
    Anisyl Alcohol
    Anisyl Formate
    Anisyl Phenylacetate
    Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
    Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
    1-Arginine
    Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
    Ascorbic Acid
    1-Asparagine Monohydrate
    1-Aspartic Acid
    Balsam Peru and Oil
    Basil Oil
    Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
    Beeswax White
    Beet Juice Concentrate
    Benzaldehyde
    Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
    Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
    Benzoin Resin
    Benzophenone
    Benzyl Alcohol
    Benzyl Benzoate
    Benzyl Butyrate
    Benzyl Cinnamate
    Benzyl Propionate
    Benzyl Salicylate
    Bergamot Oil
    Bisabolene
    Black Currant Buds Absolute
    Borneol
    Bornyl Acetate
    Buchu Leaf Oil
    1,3-Butanediol
    2,3-Butanedione
    1-Butanol
    2-Butanone
    4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
    Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
    Butyl Acetate
    Butyl Butyrate
    Butyl Butyryl Lactate
    Butyl Isovalerate
    Butyl Phenylacetate
    Butyl Undecylenate
    3-Butylidenephthalide
    Butyric Acid]
    Cadinene
    Caffeine
    Calcium Carbonate
    Camphene
    Cananga Oil
    Capsicum Oleoresin
    Caramel Color
    Caraway Oil
    Carbon Dioxide
    Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
    Carob Bean and Extract
    beta-Carotene
    Carrot Oil
    Carvacrol
    4-Carvomenthenol
    1-Carvone
    beta-Caryophyllene
    beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
    Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
    Cassia Bark Oil
    Cassie Absolute and Oil
    Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
    Cedar Leaf Oil
    Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
    Cedrol
    Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
    Cellulose Fiber
    Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
    Chicory Extract
    Chocolate
    Cinnamaldehyde
    Cinnamic Acid
    Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
    Cinnamyl Acetate
    Cinnamyl Alcohol
    Cinnamyl Cinnamate
    Cinnamyl Isovalerate
    Cinnamyl Propionate
    Citral
    Citric Acid
    Citronella Oil
    dl-Citronellol
    Citronellyl Butyrate
    itronellyl Isobutyrate
    Civet Absolute
    Clary Oil
    Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
    Cocoa
    Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
    Coconut Oil
    Coffee
    Cognac White and Green Oil
    Copaiba Oil
    Coriander Extract and Oil
    Corn Oil
    Corn Silk
    Costus Root Oil
    Cubeb Oil
    Cuminaldehyde
    para-Cymene
    1-Cysteine
    Dandelion Root Solid Extract
    Davana Oil
    2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal
    delta-Decalactone
    gamma-Decalactone
    Decanal
    Decanoic Acid
    1-Decanol
    2-Decenal
    Dehydromenthofurolactone
    Diethyl Malonate
    Diethyl Sebacate
    2,3-Diethylpyrazine
    Dihydro Anethole
    5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine
    Dill Seed Oil and Extract
    meta-Dimethoxybenzene
    para-Dimethoxybenzene
    2,6-Dimethoxyphenol
    Dimethyl Succinate
    3,4-Dimethyl-1,2 Cyclopentanedione
    3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione
    3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene
    4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One
    6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One
    3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid
    2,4 Dimethylacetophenone
    alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol
    alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate
    alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate
    2,3-Dimethylpyrazine
    2,5-Dimethylpyrazine
    2,6-Dimethylpyrazine
    Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone
    delta-Dodecalactone
    gamma-Dodecalactone
    para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde
    Ethyl 10-Undecenoate
    Ethyl 2-Methylbutyrate
    Ethyl Acetate
    Ethyl Acetoacetate
    Ethyl Alcohol
    Ethyl Benzoate
    Ethyl Butyrate
    Ethyl Cinnamate
    Ethyl Decanoate
    Ethyl Fenchol
    Ethyl Furoate
    Ethyl Heptanoate
    Ethyl Hexanoate
    Ethyl Isovalerate
    Ethyl Lactate
    Ethyl Laurate
    Ethyl Levulinate
    Ethyl Maltol
    Ethyl Methyl Phenylglycidate
    Ethyl Myristate
    Ethyl Nonanoate
    Ethyl Octadecanoate
    Ethyl Octanoate
    Ethyl Oleate
    Ethyl Palmitate
    Ethyl Phenylacetate
    Ethyl Propionate
    Ethyl Salicylate
    Ethyl trans-2-Butenoate
    Ethyl Valerate
    Ethyl Vanillin
    2-Ethyl (or Methyl)-(3,5 and 6)-Methoxypyrazine
    2-Ethyl-1-Hexanol, 3-Ethyl -2 -Hydroxy-2-Cyclopenten-1-One
    2-Ethyl-3, (5 or 6)-Dimethylpyrazine
    5-Ethyl-3-Hydroxy-4-Methyl-2(5H)-Furanone
    2-Ethyl-3-Methylpyrazine
    4-Ethylbenzaldehyde
    4-Ethylguaiacol
    para-Ethylphenol
    3-Ethylpyridine
    Eucalyptol
    Farnesol
    D-Fenchone
    Fennel Sweet Oil
    Fenugreek, Extract, Resin, and Absolute
    Fig Juice Concentrate
    Food Starch Modified
    Furfuryl Mercaptan
    4-(2-Furyl)-3-Buten-2-One
    Galbanum Oil
    Genet Absolute
    Gentian Root Extract
    Geraniol
    Geranium Rose Oil
    Geranyl Acetate
    Geranyl Butyrate
    Geranyl Formate
    Geranyl Isovalerate
    Geranyl Phenylacetate
    Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
    1-Glutamic Acid
    1-Glutamine
    Glycerol
    Glycyrrhizin Ammoniated
    Grape Juice Concentrate
    Guaiac Wood Oil
    Guaiacol
    Guar Gum
    2,4-Heptadienal
    gamma-Heptalactone
    Heptanoic Acid
    2-Heptanone
    3-Hepten-2-One
    2-Hepten-4-One
    4-Heptenal
    trans -2-Heptenal
    Heptyl Acetate
    omega-6-Hexadecenlactone
    gamma-Hexalactone
    Hexanal
    Hexanoic Acid
    2-Hexen-1-Ol
    3-Hexen-1-Ol
    cis-3-Hexen-1-Yl Acetate
    2-Hexenal
    3-Hexenoic Acid
    trans-2-Hexenoic Acid
    cis-3-Hexenyl Formate
    Hexyl 2-Methylbutyrate
    Hexyl Acetate
    Hexyl Alcohol
    Hexyl Phenylacetate
    1-Histidine
    Honey
    Hops Oil
    Hydrolyzed Milk Solids
    Hydrolyzed Plant Proteins
    5-Hydroxy-2,4-Decadienoic Acid delta- Lactone
    4-Hydroxy-2,5-Dimethyl-3(2H)-Furanone
    2-Hydroxy-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
    4-Hydroxy -3-Pentenoic Acid Lactone
    2-Hydroxy-4-Methylbenzaldehyde
    4-Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone
    Hydroxycitronellal
    6-Hydroxydihydrotheaspirane
    4-(para-Hydroxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
    Hyssop Oil
    Immortelle Absolute and Extract
    alpha-Ionone
    beta-Ionone
    alpha-Irone
    Isoamyl Acetate
    Isoamyl Benzoate
    Isoamyl Butyrate
    Isoamyl Cinnamate
    Isoamyl Formate, Isoamyl Hexanoate
    Isoamyl Isovalerate
    Isoamyl Octanoate
    Isoamyl Phenylacetate
    Isobornyl Acetate
    Isobutyl Acetate
    Isobutyl Alcohol
    Isobutyl Cinnamate
    Isobutyl Phenylacetate
    Isobutyl Salicylate
    2-Isobutyl-3-Methoxypyrazine
    alpha-Isobutylphenethyl Alcohol
    Isobutyraldehyde
    Isobutyric Acid
    d,l-Isoleucine
    alpha-Isomethylionone
    2-Isopropylphenol
    Isovaleric Acid
    Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
    Kola Nut Extract
    Labdanum Absolute and Oleoresin
    Lactic Acid
    Lauric Acid
    Lauric Aldehyde
    Lavandin Oil
    Lavender Oil
    Lemon Oil and Extract
    Lemongrass Oil
    1-Leucine
    Levulinic Acid
    Licorice Root, Fluid, Extract and Powder
    Lime Oil
    Linalool
    Linalool Oxide
    Linalyl Acetate
    Linden Flowers
    Lovage Oil And Extract
    1-Lysine]
    Mace Powder, Extract and Oil
    Magnesium Carbonate
    Malic Acid
    Malt and Malt Extract
    Maltodextrin
    Maltol
    Maltyl Isobutyrate
    Mandarin Oil
    Maple Syrup and Concentrate
    Mate Leaf, Absolute and Oil
    para-Mentha-8-Thiol-3-One
    Menthol
    Menthone
    Menthyl Acetate
    dl-Methionine
    Methoprene
    2-Methoxy-4-Methylphenol
    2-Methoxy-4-Vinylphenol
    para-Methoxybenzaldehyde
    1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-1-Penten-3-One
    4-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Butanone
    1-(para-Methoxyphenyl)-2-Propanone
    Methoxypyrazine
    Methyl 2-Furoate
    Methyl 2-Octynoate
    Methyl 2-Pyrrolyl Ketone
    Methyl Anisate
    Methyl Anthranilate
    Methyl Benzoate
    Methyl Cinnamate
    Methyl Dihydrojasmonate
    Methyl Ester of Rosin, Partially Hydrogenated
    Methyl Isovalerate
    Methyl Linoleate (48%)
    Methyl Linolenate (52%) Mixture
    Methyl Naphthyl Ketone
    Methyl Nicotinate
    Methyl Phenylacetate
    Methyl Salicylate
    Methyl Sulfide
    3-Methyl-1-Cyclopentadecanone
    4-Methyl-1-Phenyl-2-Pentanone
    5-Methyl-2-Phenyl-2-Hexenal
    5-Methyl-2-Thiophenecarboxaldehyde
    6-Methyl-3,-5-Heptadien-2-One
    2-Methyl-3-(para-Isopropylphenyl) Propionaldehyde
    5-Methyl-3-Hexen-2-One
    1-Methyl-3Methoxy-4-Isopropylbenzene
    4-Methyl-3-Pentene-2-One
    2-Methyl-4-Phenylbutyraldehyde
    6-Methyl-5-Hepten-2-One
    4-Methyl-5-Thiazoleethanol
    4-Methyl-5-Vinylthiazole
    Methyl-alpha-Ionone
    Methyl-trans-2-Butenoic Acid
    4-Methylacetophenone
    para-Methylanisole
    alpha-Methylbenzyl Acetate
    alpha-Methylbenzyl Alcohol
    2-Methylbutyraldehyde
    3-Methylbutyraldehyde
    2-Methylbutyric Acid
    alpha-Methylcinnamaldehyde
    Methylcyclopentenolone
    2-Methylheptanoic Acid
    2-Methylhexanoic Acid
    3-Methylpentanoic Acid
    4-Methylpentanoic Acid
    2-Methylpyrazine
    5-Methylquinoxaline
    2-Methyltetrahydrofuran-3-One
    (Methylthio)Methylpyrazine (Mixture Of Isomers)
    3-Methylthiopropionaldehyde
    Methyl 3-Methylthiopropionate
    2-Methylvaleric Acid
    Mimosa Absolute and Extract
    Molasses Extract and Tincture
    Mountain Maple Solid Extract
    Mullein Flowers
    Myristaldehyde
    Myristic Acid
    Myrrh Oil
    beta-Napthyl Ethyl Ether
    Nerol
    Neroli Bigarde Oil
    Nerolidol
    Nona-2-trans,6-cis-Dienal
    2,6-Nonadien-1-Ol
    gamma-Nonalactone
    Nonanal
    Nonanoic Acid
    Nonanone
    trans-2-Nonen-1-Ol
    2-Nonenal
    Nonyl Acetate
    Nutmeg Powder and Oil
    Oak Chips Extract and Oil
    Oak Moss Absolute
    9,12-Octadecadienoic Acid (48%) And 9,12,15-Octadecatrienoic Acid (52%)
    delta-Octalactone
    gamma-Octalactone
    Octanal
    Octanoic Acid
    1-Octanol
    2-Octanone
    3-Octen-2-One
    1-Octen-3-Ol
    1-Octen-3-Yl Acetate
    2-Octenal
    Octyl Isobutyrate
    Oleic Acid
    Olibanum Oil
    Opoponax Oil And Gum
    Orange Blossoms Water, Absolute, and Leaf Absolute
    Orange Oil and Extract
    Origanum Oil
    Orris Concrete Oil and Root Extract
    Palmarosa Oil
    Palmitic Acid
    Parsley Seed Oil
    Patchouli Oil
    omega-Pentadecalactone
    2,3-Pentanedione
    2-Pentanone
    4-Pentenoic Acid
    2-Pentylpyridine
    Pepper Oil, Black And White
    Peppermint Oil
    Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
    Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
    alpha-Phellandrene
    2-Phenenthyl Acetate
    Phenenthyl Alcohol
    Phenethyl Butyrate
    Phenethyl Cinnamate
    Phenethyl Isobutyrate
    Phenethyl Isovalerate
    Phenethyl Phenylacetate
    Phenethyl Salicylate
    1-Phenyl-1-Propanol
    3-Phenyl-1-Propanol
    2-Phenyl-2-Butenal
    4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-Ol
    4-Phenyl-3-Buten-2-One
    Phenylacetaldehyde
    Phenylacetic Acid
    1-Phenylalanine
    3-Phenylpropionaldehyde
    3-Phenylpropionic Acid
    3-Phenylpropyl Acetate
    3-Phenylpropyl Cinnamate
    2-(3-Phenylpropyl)Tetrahydrofuran
    Phosphoric Acid
    Pimenta Leaf Oil
    Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
    Pineapple Juice Concentrate
    alpha-Pinene, beta-Pinene
    D-Piperitone
    Piperonal
    Pipsissewa Leaf Extract
    Plum Juice
    Potassium Sorbate
    1-Proline
    Propenylguaethol
    Propionic Acid
    Propyl Acetate
    Propyl para-Hydroxybenzoate
    Propylene Glycol
    3-Propylidenephthalide
    Prune Juice and Concentrate
    Pyridine
    Pyroligneous Acid And Extract
    Pyrrole
    Pyruvic Acid
    Raisin Juice Concentrate
    Rhodinol
    Rose Absolute and Oil
    Rosemary Oil
    Rum
    Rum Ether
    Rye Extract
    Sage, Sage Oil, and Sage Oleoresin
    Salicylaldehyde
    Sandalwood Oil, Yellow
    Sclareolide
    Skatole
    Smoke Flavor
    Snakeroot Oil
    Sodium Acetate
    Sodium Benzoate
    Sodium Bicarbonate
    Sodium Carbonate
    Sodium Chloride
    Sodium Citrate
    Sodium Hydroxide
    Solanone
    Spearmint Oil
    Styrax Extract, Gum and Oil
    Sucrose Octaacetate
    Sugar Alcohols
    Sugars
    Tagetes Oil
    Tannic Acid
    Tartaric Acid
    Tea Leaf and Absolute
    alpha-Terpineol
    Terpinolene
    Terpinyl Acetate
    5,6,7,8-Tetrahydroquinoxaline
    1,5,5,9-Tetramethyl-13-Oxatricyclo(8.3.0.0(4,9))Tridecane
    2,3,4,5, and 3,4,5,6-Tetramethylethyl-Cyclohexanone
    2,3,5,6-Tetramethylpyrazine
    Thiamine Hydrochloride
    Thiazole
    1-Threonine
    Thyme Oil, White and Red
    Thymol
    Tobacco Extracts
    Tochopherols (mixed)
    Tolu Balsam Gum and Extract
    Tolualdehydes
    para-Tolyl 3-Methylbutyrate
    para-Tolyl Acetaldehyde
    para-Tolyl Acetate
    para-Tolyl Isobutyrate
    para-Tolyl Phenylacetate
    Triacetin
    2-Tridecanone
    2-Tridecenal
    Triethyl Citrate
    3,5,5-Trimethyl -1-Hexanol
    para,alpha,alpha-Trimethylbenzyl Alcohol
    4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-1-Enyl)But-2-En-4-One
    2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohex-2-Ene-1,4-Dione
    2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl Methan
    4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
    2,2,6-Trimethylcyclohexanone
    2,3,5-Trimethylpyrazine
    1-Tyrosine
    delta-Undercalactone
    gamma-Undecalactone
    Undecanal
    2-Undecanone, 1
    0-Undecenal
    Urea
    Valencene
    Valeraldehyde
    Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
    Valeric Acid
    gamma-Valerolactone
    Valine
    Vanilla Extract And Oleoresin
    Vanillin
    Veratraldehyde
    Vetiver Oil
    Vinegar
    Violet Leaf Absolute
    Walnut Hull Extract
    Water
    Wheat Extract And Flour
    Wild Cherry Bark Extract
    Wine and Wine Sherry
    Xanthan Gum
    3,4-Xylenol
    Yeast


    ...ALL of the ingredients listed will react with 'plastic', some very aggressively, including water, which of course the best universal solvent known to man!

    Hope this helps.
     
  6. ASSEMbler

    ASSEMbler Administrator Staff Member

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    I LOVE ethyl oleate!!

    I have about 200 psx I can do some tests I suppose.
    I think my primary concern is the batteries.

    I'll try and get some zelda from the pawn shop and open them.
     
  7. karsten

    karsten Member of The Cult Of Kefka

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    first of all i'm ready to bow to any superior knowledge. :) and you might have better knowledge than me in chemistry, no problem, really. I'm well aware of the experts warnings about smoke and yellowing, but as for working experience and personal reasoning appears ridicolous. So personally i do not believe it even tought people with higher degrees than mine might say the opposite, i think thay talk mostly in theoretical way or in limit cases.

    so:

    i'm well aware of the effects of those chemicals on plastic, and what comes out of cigarettes.
    BUT i don't think that people can survive in a room in wich there's enough of these chemicals around to impact the console's plastic :p. no seriously, we are talking of less than ppm quantities present in the smoke. and we do not (i think) directly blow on the console... also most of those chemicals are highly volatile so will float to the ceiling of the room. i do HAVE a diplom in industrial chemistry BTW.

    i might be wrong, but i keep thinking that normal level smoke (compatible with staying there without feeling sick) in a room with normal aeration will not reach this bad levels able to impact the console.

    in any case the yellowing case i think are at the least 99% due to the plastic, not because of the smoke.

    also i wonder how deeply "smoke yellowing" would manage to affect plastic. it would probably affect mostly the outside surface of plastic i guess so in case it's REAL smoke yellowing, bruising away the plastic surface might bring back good color...


    i would try it gladly, but i still have to find a SNES yellowed because of smoke... if anyone have one might be interesting for him to try.
     
  8. ASSEMbler

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    No one is collecting shit from as smoker's house. So let's pass on that one.
     
  9. andoba

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    You can turn yellowed plastics to white using 80% concentrated H2O2 IIRC. It's on the internet, they tried with an Amiga and worked, at www.elotrolado.net has been prooved too. And it isn't a matter of UV or temperature, people who left they're sneses at the closet, with no light at all and when they got it from the closet 15 years later it looked like a lemon.
     
  10. karsten

    karsten Member of The Cult Of Kefka

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    Read my post with more care. I have elaborated about that and plastic batches and much more.

    hydrogen peroxide might help, but not with all kinds of yellowing and all kinds of plastic. Also details and writings on the console/cart might get deleted and color be changed from anything to white or other colors.

    so better making a test on a small unseen part before trying it on your beloved console.
     
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    You really need to be careful with those chemicals.
    It also makes the plastic a bit brittle.
     
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    I just opened up the 4 Zelda carts I have and none of the batteries show any
    sign of corrosion. I have not checked any of the Zelda 2s, but Legend of Zelda
    still has my 20 year old save games.


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    A suggestion for a yellowing SNES would probably be a custom paint job. Obviously not the best solution, but no one wants one of those ugly yellow SNESes.

    I think aside from corrosion, you also have to worry about the charge dieing. There is the rumor that booting up the game regularly will help the battery keep its charge longer. Any truth to this? From what I understand, it helps with CPS2 boards, but that's a different type of battery, right?

    On the subject of labels, Atari 2600 labels come up all the time. You've got the infamous Acti-plaque, where black spots show up all over the label. A significant number of Activision cartridges have this problem, and the only game I own that does not have Acti-plaque is Beamrider.

    Is there a life-span for these cartridge games? I've heard that Famicom Disc System games are prone to gradually demagnitizing over time. I'm not too familliar with the inner workings of an eprom, prom, and whatever else is used to store program data inside of cartridges to know if my Channel F and NES games will run 30 years from now.
     
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    It's a long lasting mixture with a hermetic seal. It doesn't pull a charge
    and renew.

    The problem with lithium batteries is when they do leak, they
    are corrosive as hell.

    I'm going to call up a few companies and ask. They will know for sure.

    In button batteries I think it will come down to the lifespan of the
    metal casing figuring in the corrosion of the contents.

    I know for sure that any teradrives, mega pcs, and game copies
    need to have their batteries changed asap.

    The barrel type plastic shell lithiums don't hold up as well
    as the button types. It think nintendo was very careful in choosing the
    battery types.
     
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    batteries are supposed to last really long. leaking problems are usually due to low quality brand battery, or due to water/wetness.

    I've been thinking about how to store properly carts protecting them from light, wetness, smoke, dust etc

    and my best bet for long term preservation of the cart+insides from rusting/oxidating and wetness is this one:

    http://www.ciao.it/Macchina_per_sottovuoto_Magic_Vac_Elite__274477

    this machine is used to take off air from aliments and then wrap them in plastic by melting the bag's side.

    these machines are really cheap, and the vacuuming is quite bland. Wrapping them this way and storing in boxes would for sure protect from light, wetness, dust, and smoke.

    if you are a perfectionist or if the item you want to preserve is too big (like whole console/ cardboxes etc) you might try to use those boxes that are waterproof (the one that have a layer that looks like "petrolled" (can't find the english word) that are usually given in post offices for long shippings) and for being extra safe maybe adding silica gel to take care of excess wetness.

    what do you guys think? good idea?
     
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    Plastics give off fumes that need to be vented off, or they may discolor.

    Plus, plastic that soft has a lot of softeners in them that will leach or dry
    out over time.

    I was thinking more of an acid neutral rice paper really. Conservation
    in other media is quite advanced, I was really just looking to address the
    unique problems of our media.
     
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    wow i was almost 100% RIGHT! different batches, degradation, heat and UV rays as i stated :) even the same suggestions i gave. woooowwwww

    oldengineer almost made my doubt my knowledge :D
     
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