See, I even have more success with KOF's usual half-circle back, forward motion than I do with a shoryuken. Even a good deal of the crazy Guilty Gear quarter-circle back, quarter-circle back motions don't give me near as much trouble than that damned shoryuken. It's a good thing I think Ryu and all his palette swaps (Ken, Akuma, etc.) are cheap and worthless, but it's hell on me when I'm trying to play Sakura or when playing as Morrigan in Darkstalkers/MVC 2.
PFFTT!!! Ryu and Ken are the best characters and once mastered, absoltely devastating when using the right combos.Have you got an xbox GSL, cause I would love to show you over a game of live when it is released, trust me the dragon punch when used correctly is unstoppable.Saying they are worthless would not go down well with any SF2 hardcore fan. Those controllers layout looks good and so does the d pad, but the artwork is pure tacky, look at the akuma drawings from Grand master challenge in the sf history book or the dc matching service game's artwork in the jap instructions and you will know what i mean...YEeUCH!!!
I personally didn't much care for SFIII, it just felt odd with so few of the usual characters. And while the artwork on the new SFII controllers is indeed goofy, the controllers are solid, well built, and very much like the excellent and pricey ASCII pads on the Dreamcast - definately a worthy investment if you're a fan of fighting games (especially 6-button Capcom ones) and don't get along with a joystick.
On the subject of SF2, it seems that the first batch of Super Streetfighter Anniversary Collection released in Japan on Xbox are all region free. Hurrah. Good luck finding one though, Capcom have recalled them due to a 'bug'...
I agree with Nintendomad that the Ryu/Ken derivates are not per se worthless... I quite like Dan and Akuma/Gouki for the moves they have of their own. In the artwork debate, I'm torn between Zero 2 and Zero 3's artwork, I didn't really like SF3's drawing style.
I don't think the shotoken ppls are bad, its just that I hate the lemming arcade goers who're good, but ONLY play with them. They're like, "shoded! I kicked your ass with evil ryu" or they pull an instant hell murder. You're like: "no shit, I'm zangeif/iceman/<some weak>"